No, it's a different story.

Yeah, that other one turned out to be a hoax. Shows me for using Fox News as a source.

Anyway, the LA Times story isn't too long, so I'll copy and paste it into here:



Mrzieh Moosavizadeh and her grandson follow a routine when she visits almost every year from Iran.

The 75-year-old, who travels in a wheelchair and speaks little English, struggles to find direct flights to Phoenix, where he and his family live. So they meet in Los Angeles and he escorts her on the last leg of her trip.

This time was different.

Moosavizadeh landed at Los Angeles International Airport a day after President Trump signed an executive order banning citizens from seven predominantly Muslim countries, including Iran, from entering the United States.

Marzieh Moosavizadeh and her grandson Siavosh Naji-Talakar leave their hotel room in El Segundo after she was detained at LAX.
Marzieh Moosavizadeh and her grandson Siavosh Naji-Talakar leave their hotel room in El Segundo after she was detained at LAX. (Francine Orr / Los Angeles Times)
Moosavizadeh’s plans to catch her last flight were upended when she said she was held at LAX for nine hours with dozens of other passengers who, like her, had no idea whether they would be released or sent back to their native country.

“Sitting there for eight hours, for somebody who has arthritis, is very, very hard,” Moosavizadeh said while recounting her detention in an interview with The Times in Persian while her son translated by phone. “Please, tell Mr. Trump when they make these kind of decisions, think it all the way through.”

For Moosavizadeh, who her grandson said has held a green card since 1997, the anxiety set in when she landed shortly after 4 p.m. on Saturday.

Customs officers scanned her passport, held it up next to her head and told her to wait. Then, they ushered her to a room where she said a couple dozen passengers — Iranians, Africans and Asians — were being held.

She sat there for two hours before officers led her, along with a handful of others passengers from her flight, to another room filled with travelers from Iran. She spent the next several hours there.


At about 6 p.m., Moosavizadeh’s wheelchair attendant offered her a cellphone to call her grandson.

She told him to go eat and rest — she heard she’d be held for a few more hours. He told her to stay calm, he wasn’t going anywhere.

Every hour or so, Moosavizadeh said, officers would come by to escort passengers to the bathroom or drop off 8-ounce water bottles. The English-speakers implored them for answers.

It’s out of our hands, the officers said. Their fate was up to their superiors.

Passengers were afraid to talk to one another, Moosavizadeh said. No one knew whether they’d be released or sent back to Iran.

“Most of them, they thought they were going to get deported,” she said, through her son.

At one point, she was taken elsewhere for questioning. Customs officers asked her when she last visited the U.S., who she lives with in Iran and where she gets her income.

When she returned, she snacked on almonds she’d packed in her purse.

“Thank God I put them in my purse, otherwise I didn’t have anything on me,” she said.

Meanwhile, in Phoenix, her sons frantically refreshed news articles and peppered her grandson, Siavosh Naji-Talakar, with questions he couldn’t answer. Huddled among throngs of boisterous protesters demanding the detainees be released, Naji-Talakar could do little but wait.

Over and over, they chanted, “Let them in!” They said they wouldn’t leave otherwise.

Some offered Naji-Talakar food and a couch for the night, others money for a hotel room.

Nearby, the detainees heard the cries, faintly. They had no idea, though, if those who had gathered were there to support or decry them. A customs officer, Moosavizadeh said, told the group that it wasn’t safe for them to let them go.

Eventually, officers began calling passengers one by one. Detainees were taken away, alone or in pairs, while those left behind wondered if they were being released or deported.

“We all thought they were going to give us hard time first and then send us back,” Moosavizadeh said.

She added that she wants Trump to know that Muslims condemn Islamic State.

“They might be Muslim, but they’re not a part of us,” she said. “We are all brothers and sisters and we don’t believe in their values — at all.”

Moosavizadeh’s name was among the last ones called, at about 1 a.m.

Finally, she said, she was “released from prison.”

When she spotted her grandson in the crowd, she felt like she was flying.

He saw her too, and bolted.

“I pushed people out of the way, I was like, ‘Get out of my way,’” Naji-Talakar said. “I ran up to her and gave a big old hug.”

That’s when the cheering and chanting started again.

Over and over, “We got grandma!”

Living permanently in another country and only visiting once a year sounds like a green card violation to me.
And unfortunately, anyone complaining about travel issues with a visa doesn't understand how visas work. They are temporary and can be revoked at any time, that's why they're visas and not citizenships.

What exactly do you mean? I would be heartbroken if I could not see my grandmother because of the country she lived in. I would be furious if the government mistreated my grandmother the way they mistreated this woman. More importantly, this woman did nothing wrong and posed no threat and did not deserve to be detained. Being an Iranian citizen does not mean you share the views of the Iranian government, anymore than being an American citizen means you share the views of the American government. When visas are revoked, it is supposed to be for a justifiable reason. I do not believe someone's religion or nation of origin are justifiable reasons for revoking a visa.

Okay so let's try to make a comparison. During world war two, there rose to power an extremist sect that went about killing people that fit into certain types that it didn't like. Nazis killed Jews, gays, gypsies etc. Now, were all German's Nazis? No. Did the German people stand up to the Nazis? No. They either fled, or they gave into their rule, telling on their neighbors to protect themselves.
During the war, German immigration was stinted, German-American citizens were interrogated. This is because, there was literally no way to tell a German innocent citizen from a Nazi spy.
So too now, have Muslim extremists begun killing women, gays, atheists etc. under Sharia Law. Sharia law entitles them to beat, lash, amputate, stone and behead people they dislike, or who do not follow their extremist religious laws. Places where they have migrated to en mas soon see this law attempt to be continued... because the extremists came in with the refugees. The people in these originating countries have been unable to stop them so they called the US and the UN and asked for our help. In doing so, the extremists turned their hate to us, see various, radical religious attacks. So now, whether it is official or not, we are at war with these extremists because they seek to destroy the American way of life and continue these inhumane atrocities.
All the people in their counties are not extremists, but they are either fleeing, or giving in, not standing up to them. Why are young men of military age, fleeing their country when they could stand and fight? There is no way to tell apart an innocent Muslim from an extremist one. This is why the visas were temporarily banned.
The travel bans that are currently in place are temporary so that better measures can be created to tell them apart. Anyone can be an extremist, even a little old grandmother. Detaining people in airports is not inhumane. Granted, if they have ailments, leaving them to sit without care and not feeding them is, and should be handled better. Though I don't know how someone who barely speaks English has a green card, or why if she was hurting or in pain, she didn't ask for help (the article is unclear). If my grandmother lived in a country populated by known terrorists, I wouldn't be sad that she couldn't come to the US, I would be sad that she chose to live there.

One of the greatest things about America is we are all individuals. However, it is also one of our greatest weaknesses. Because instead of standing together to make America strong against extremists that would tear it apart, we have to have our own individual communities, which don't want to fight the extremists themselves, just like in their own countries. There's been too much confusion for too long, "don't go to war" "leave the middle east alone" "why aren't we protecting the people in the middle east" "What's happening in the middle east is wrong" "stop drone striking them" "let the refugees in unhindered" "why do bombings keep happening in the us" ... all of these things are related...there needs to be a bigger discussion on what needs to be done.

I would much rather live in a country that can protect me from extremists, than one that lets them in willy nilly and devolves into one that has to ask help from another nation. Where drone strikes and IUDs go off every day. If you don't protect your house, you cannot protect your neighbor's house, or yours will fall in the trying.

The policy from WWII is widely regarded as a stain on the history of our nation. Innocent people died as a result, and the policy was proven to have no effect on national security. Furthermore, every ban or prohibition based on national origin that has been implemented since has also been eventually proven to have no discernible impact on national security.

The story of the St. Louis is one of the most heinous mistakes our nation has ever made. https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.ph ... d=10005267

Anne Frank and her family were denied refugee status as a result of this prejudice. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... dfac1ef5ea

The chance of an American being killed by someone born in a different country is 1 in 3.6 million. The chance of an American being killed by a refugee is 1 in 3.64 billion. In fact, no refugees have been involved in any attacks on American soil in decades.

Many Germans did stand up to the Nazis. I present for your consideration the White Rose Society. (I know wikipedia isn't the best source, but you can always check the references for better sources) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Rose

Daesh/ISIS, Al Qaeda and the brand of right-wing religious extremism they represent is to Islam what the KKK is to Christianity. "Sharia law" justifies their actions about as much as the Bible justifies the actions of the KKK. It's a sick, twisted dogma that mimics spirituality in order to control the easily manipulated. The vast majority of their victims are Muslims. The vast majority of the people fighting them are Muslims. Here are two examples, the female Kurdish fighters (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 66776.html) and the White Helmets. ( https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archiv ... ts/502073/ )

Furthermore, the term sharia refers not to an actual set of laws and certainly not to violence and oppression as it is often misinterpreted, but rather the term sharia refers to a personal relationship with god. This is a common misunderstanding. http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions ... ia_1.shtml

The stated intention of these extremists is not only to destroy America. Rather, they want to destroy what they call the grey zone. The grey zone is the parts of the world where Muslims live in harmony with other religions. Their vision for the world is that there is a world that they control and impress their evil twisted version of religion on all Muslims, and another separate world for the heretics (that would be the rest of us). This is why, when non-Muslims turn against Muslims, they are doing exactly what the extremists want them to do. That is the point of the terror campaign, to make us afraid and hostile to each other.

Refugees do not actually get to decide what country they go to. It does not make sense for an extremist to infiltrate the refugee program, because even if they did manage to make it through the strictest vetting process in the world, involving years of interviews, background checks, legal documentation, biometric data collection and surveillance, you still do not get to choose where in the world you are sent. It could be anywhere.

Most acts of terrorism committed in the United States are committed by white supremacists. The United States is one of the more significant producers of terrorists in the world. You do live in a country populated by known terrorists. Most of them are white, Christian men. https://www.splcenter.org/hate-map

You also live in the country that launches those drone strikes. Your tax dollars are paying for the bombs many of these refugees, especially Yemeni refugees, are fleeing. Don't you think we have some responsibility as a society to try and help the non-combatants who are effected by our military actions?

Pwale thank you for that great read. I love your long posts. Nice and calming to read. I gotta check out those links when my eyes aren't blood shot anymore so I can read better lol.

I got a question for you about Anne Frank. Recently it was posted that people did research into her story and said her being turned in by others was not true and it could of been an accident and went into detail on how people did searches of places randomly I think it was said and they were found by a search instead. It's a huge difference what we grew up with and what I read about her. I loved her diary and her short story collection inspired me to write more and even wrote a story alot alike one of her because of how much I loved it. I guess they even said that stuff was not all in the book. Like how much she spoke about masturbation. What is your take on all of this?

Something to remember about the diary as was first published: It was published by her grieving father, who definitely had some views on what he wanted the world to know of his daughter.

Yes, there's much in her original works which were edited out.

On the other hand, pretty much any book at all goes through an editing process before publication, and Anne was only able to do one revision (from rough 3-volume "first draft" of her diaries to a single volume) before her arrest. There was, due to Holocaust deniers, an extensive investigation of the original papers done in the -I think '60's? I'll check.

Wiki says the one I'm thinking of was done on the death of Otto Frank, in 1980, and was published in 1986.

Anyhow, it did show that the handwriting matched, and Anne was the author; just the very final arrangement and choices of what to cut were done in part by her father.


So, there's that. I can look up sources and add in links shortly.

saiyouri wrote:Pwale thank you for that great read. I love your long posts. Nice and calming to read. I gotta check out those links when my eyes aren't blood shot anymore so I can read better lol.

I got a question for you about Anne Frank. Recently it was posted that people did research into her story and said her being turned in by others was not true and it could of been an accident and went into detail on how people did searches of places randomly I think it was said and they were found by a search instead. It's a huge difference what we grew up with and what I read about her. I loved her diary and her short story collection inspired me to write more and even wrote a story alot alike one of her because of how much I loved it. I guess they even said that stuff was not all in the book. Like how much she spoke about masturbation. What is your take on all of this?

I read that too. Here's another article about it... http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38349353

I think it's still just a theory at this point, but it also makes sense that the house would have been raided looking for ration coupons. But I don't think it makes it any less tragic. One version of the story, she dies because of a personal betrayal. The other, she dies because of the systemic violence. In the end, her death is the same. It breaks my heart.

Her diary is beautiful, because it is so real. I think it demonstrates how similar we all are deep down, across cultures and across time.

I know her father would of wanted somethings out of it, it's very understandable. Just shocking to learn that somethings might of been out of it. Took me by surprise. Her death either way would be horrible no matter what since the time was horrible to begin with. Just thought it was so weird after all these years they are coming out with a new theory of how it all happened. I was shocked to hear that there could be a totally different way to how things went down. Still have no idea on how I feel about it. That's gonna take sometime to figure out. I'll most likely wait til they say more about their research before I think more of it. Thank you both for your input.

Considering Human history is rife with conquerors, nations invading other nations and wiping out their histories etc, I think saying that protecting a nation by keeping out those that would seek to undermine it, isn't a stain or something that would have no impact.

*Reads the St. Louis story* Okay so Cuba refused them because they as a country were under economic hardship and couldn't afford to take them. The US... oh, also under economic hardship such as still recovering from a depression, and having already taken in 27,000 immigrants (plus several other ship loads of refugees), couldn't afford to take in 700 more. Almost all of those people survived by getting into other nations. *shrugs*

The chance of American casualties will go up if persons from terrorist inclined and war torn nations continue to enter the country. Moreover, I think the decisions are being made, not on what has happened in America, but what has happened in Europe... http://time.com/4607481/europe-terroris ... -brussels/ People who have been radicalized by those who are spreading into their countries from areas with extremist views.

From what I can read in that article, the White Rose didn't do much of anything other than spreading pamphlets? And you said the same thing I said about Sharia law you just said it better XD

Refugees may not choose where they go but the guidelines as to what types of refugees are sent where, is public knowledge. That can be manipulated. Young persons in the right families can be radicalized and sent anywhere. I'm not saying they choose it but if they wanted to get anywhere, it could be done.

It's already been said that acts of terrorism by one's own people on one's own people is an entirely different issue, that while it needs to be dealt with, is not what all this recent mess is about. I don't know why he picked the countries he did but there are lots of other incidents of foreign nationals committing terrorist attacks. Just because something isn't categorized as a hate group (which there are a lot more, I assure you), doesn't mean it isn't a problem. http://www.newsweek.com/where-do-terror ... med-550581