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 Post subject: Re: New Feature: Give up Knuffel for adoption / get old Knuf
Posted: Jan 8th, '12, 00:56    


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great idea :D

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 Post subject: Re: New Feature: Give up Knuffel for adoption / get old Knuf
Posted: Jan 8th, '12, 01:13    


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Ziaheart

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Josie, please. That's enough. You yourself lashed out onto Sierrie for blindly following the rules when she only corrected a part of your premise, rather than disagree with your whole argument, then ignored her when she stated that fact.

You say you were commenting on a point in Firn's post about how she dislikes people hoarding Knuffel to make them sell out faster, but I'm certain that you're misunderstanding what she doesn't like. From her post, I understood that what she doesn't like are people who adopt the last 10 Knuffel on their mules and never look at them again or feed them again, not because they like that particular Knuffel, but just because they want to see what the next Knuffel looks like faster; not people who genuinely get enjoyment out of all five stages and want to have them all displayed in their profile. You took her complaining about people hoarding Knuffel they dislike just to see if they like the next one and applied it to everyone who gets more than one Knuffel.

I believe this is faulty reasoning. Firn might like it when people show interest in Kingdom of Knuffel and create traffic because they genuinely want to participate in aspects of the site. Firn, on the other hand, might dislike it when people inflate traffic by botting to make their Knuffel get to higher level faster. Both are taxing on the bandwidth, but Firn doesn't have to like both or hate both since they arise out of different intentions.

Just like she doesn't have to like both people who gets multiples to get all stages, and people who gets multiples to see the next one faster, even though the end results might be the same. The ends, after all, doesn't have to justify the means; but the means, and the intentions behind that, might justify the end.

In fact, if I were Firn, and one of the Knuffel sold out fast because people genuinely liked it, I would be happy about it and happy to draw the next Knuffel just because I knew people were satisfied with my work. However, if I knew that the only reason the Knuffel sold out faster was not because people particularly liked that one but just wanted to see the next one faster, I would be grumpy at having to draw a new one because I knew that the people who had the Knuffel weren't those who were satisfied with my work, but just people who are impatient about seeing the next generation of Knuffel.

And your suggestions for making end stages not final -- as nice as it would be -- would be of no use for discouraging people who adopt multiple Knuffel, not because they genuinely get enjoyment out of different stages, but because they simply can't wait for the next Knuffel.

And I believe that the reason people think your argument is inane is not entirely because it's emotionally charged, but because you've decided that the only reasoning behind the feature must be the bandwidth, and that if it was, then it is for no reason at all. You've demonstrated that you aren't open to explanations by the admins. You yourself said that if admins told you personally that the reasons for the feature was for the bandwidth, you'd STILL assume that they were merely making excuses. If you want to have constructive discussions, you should be open to listening to the other side's argument. You've demonstrated that you aren't open to that. Please take a deep breath and return when you're ready to argue your point constructively in a civilized manner. If you don't, you will only make people get irritated at you which will shut down THEIR willingness to entertain your points. After all, why should we listen to your perspective, when you've made it clear you won't listen to ours?


On a lighter note, those Knuffel that were put up for adoption when the Event Knuffel came out? I'm almost certain that those were the Knuffel on a particular perma-banned account.

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 Post subject: Re: New Feature: Give up Knuffel for adoption / get old Knuf
Posted: Jan 8th, '12, 01:32    


JosieQ

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Ziaheart wrote:Please take a deep breath and return when you're ready to argue your point constructively in a civilized manner.


I just did that though. But okay, I've long since accepted that once people label you something, they're incapable of noticing when you do things differently. That other chick was completely blameless, slinging completely rational insults and I'm the one who's unconstructive and uncivilized. Sure.

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 Post subject: Re: New Feature: Give up Knuffel for adoption / get old Knuf
Posted: Jan 8th, '12, 02:04    


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Er... I don't think she was only finding fault with you. It's just that, when you respond to negative comments with even more rude comments, it tends to make a situation worse.

Btw, just my personal opinion, but when people tend to use a lot of curse words (not that you used a lot), it's usually comes off to me as a lack of vocabulary as opposed to intelligence.

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 Post subject: Re: New Feature: Give up Knuffel for adoption / get old Knuf
Posted: Jan 8th, '12, 03:01    


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HEEEHEEHEEHEE!

i haven't LOL'd like that in a while.

Zia, i won't fan the flames anymore, but i have to say that post made my day.

I mean fuck.

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 Post subject: Re: New Feature: Give up Knuffel for adoption / get old Knuf
Posted: Jan 8th, '12, 03:19    


JosieQ

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butcherbaby wrote:HEEEHEEHEEHEE!

i haven't LOL'd like that in a while.

Zia, i won't fan the flames anymore, but i have to say that post made my day.

I mean fuck.


I love winning. :mclaugh:

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 Post subject: Re: New Feature: Give up Knuffel for adoption / get old Knuf
Posted: Jan 8th, '12, 03:43    


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Ziaheart wrote:On a lighter note, those Knuffel that were put up for adoption when the Event Knuffel came out? I'm almost certain that those were the Knuffel on a particular perma-banned account.


i hope that means other perma-banned account knuffel can get new homes as well :mcwink:

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 Post subject: Re: New Feature: Give up Knuffel for adoption / get old Knuf
Posted: Jan 8th, '12, 04:37    


butcherbaby

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La Tragique wrote:Augh, I want one~

If only food points weren't so difficult to earn, for a newb like me.


you can do it! lots of posting, hit up the spam forum, and take every poll you can find.

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 Post subject: Re: New Feature: Give up Knuffel for adoption / get old Knuf
Posted: Jan 8th, '12, 04:40    


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Kamiyama wrote:nice option, I was able to sell a few knuffel I don't wanted anymore...but sad thing is I wasn't able to get an old knuffel *sigh*
knew it would be like that...
but nice option anyway ^^
and congratz to everyone who was able to get a cute older knuffel


Today I've seen:

Gen 3 Earth, Gen 4 Darkness, Gen 5 Earth, Gen 6 Fire, Gen 7 Water, Gen 7 earth, Gen 8 Darkness, Gen 8 Earth, Gen 9 Fire, Gen 9 Water, Gen 10 Darkness

They go pretty quickly but there definitely are knuffel being posted!

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 Post subject: Re: New Feature: Give up Knuffel for adoption / get old Knuf
Posted: Jan 8th, '12, 05:35    


VampMiyu

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Ok I've read through ALL the announcement pages , and I'd like to say the following things:

1.Firstly THANK YOU FIRN AND STARKARD for this WONDEFUL feature that I was absolutly not expecting! This is wonderful, I really hope I'll be able to get some of the knuffels I missed.I'm so grateful for this feature, I can't explain how pleasantly surprised I am, and these gifts you guys give us such as this feature just make me love and appreciate Kofk more, I trully believe this site is unique , you guys are the most devoted and generous admins I've ever seen :qh:

2.Regarding the "abuse" of certain users buying f*ckloads of the old knuffels being given up for adoption, I have seen certain suggestions that I have liked and would like to point out, for I believe that it is unfair to be buying several and depriving others of these old knuffels as so few are being released at once.Buying as many new knuffels as you want is ok, because there are large numbers of them, but buying 5 of an old knuffel that many users have been wanting to get, is selfish imo.
butcherbaby wrote:
koren wrote:The only thing I wish could be changed was the limit people could readopt. I've already seen a user that has adopted about 20 of the older ones , multiples of the same. Kinda sucks when I'm sure this is something that we all want to participate in.

while in general i do not agree with adoption limits i think in this case there is a difference- it's not the same as several hundred being in the shop with a chance to save up FP to get them. however, IF there is a limit, i believe it should only be on the amount of any one certain knuffel, not an overall daily or hourly or whatever limit. for example, if you just adopted a water gen 1, you cannot adopt another water gen 1 for a period of time (a day, a week, whatever) but you can adopt any other older knuffel that pop up. a person has every right to adopt however many of any knuffel they want, limited or not, but it is somewhat discourteous to adopt multiple of any one older knuffel in a case where the demand is going to far outstrip the supply.

I LOVE this idea, because I believe it is 100% fair. Creating a time limit for adopting older knuffels would give everybody a fair chance to get at least one old knuffel.And users who would wish to have several of that knuffel would just have to wait for the time limit to buy another, if there are still left.That way we would be giving both users what they want, I think its a win-win situation.

As to how long that time limit should be, I think it should be as little as 1 hour, and as much as 1 day. Because more than one day would be too much, but I think 24 hours would be a fair wait, considering that not all users are in the same time zone, and giving 24 hours would give any users no matter what time zone they're in to get that knuffel.
Also, having a 24h wait would make it easier for newer users to get those old knuffels too, it would give them time to get foodpoints in that period of time, and right now I think it's gonna be harder for them to get their hands on them.

3. Now regarding another suggestion made:
Manah wrote:Talking about perma-banned users, maybe you could put their knuffel up for adoption? It's unfair to take them away from users who might come back to the site, sure, but perma-banned users are....well, perma-banned.^^

I also think this is a great idea. I don't know if there are many perma-banned users or if they have many knuffels, but it's clear that if they aren't using their account and therefore not using their knuffels, these should be put up for adoption.
I'm not sure how I feel about putting knuffels from inactive accounts for adoption. One side of me thinks its unfair for those users because they've payed for their knuffels, and it would suck not to have them if they ever logged back in.BUT, another side of me thinks that if a user hasn't logged in 2 years straight then it's quite posible he isn't ever coming back to Kofk.
Also, if we made it so that you "lose" your knuffels if you don't log in 2 years straight it would probably incourage those users to come back to kofk, to pop in to see what's new at least once a year (they wouldn't even have to feed their knuffels, just logging in would be enough).
After all, the early knuffels that are not capable of digging are currently being removed if their owners haven't played or fed with them in ¿a year I think it is?So putting up for adoption knuffels of long-time inactive users would be similar and just as fair.

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