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 Post subject: Re: Why was my Wild Knuffel rejected?
Posted: Apr 29th, '12, 17:47    


ml1201

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Onis wrote:ml1201: If that was meant for me, thank you for taking the time to note me about this, but I have read that post before too. Firn talks about glow, clear-cut and furniture in that post and she writes "I will actually enforce this rule strictly", not that she will enforce all the rules.

True, but she has been pretty strict about the evolution thing since the very beginning. That's why the red panda girl has been rejected several times before being accepted. So in general I believe she's just enforcing all the rules more.

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 Post subject: Re: Why was my Wild Knuffel rejected?
Posted: Apr 29th, '12, 17:49    


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    I am sorry I wasn't able to explain it well enough. I will try it again.
    (edit: And while I was typing all this and making images to explain better, a lot of people have explained it a 100 times better than I could already. -_-)

    First of all, the changing size: This alone would probably not have been a reason to reject the Knuffel, but since I had to reject it for other reasons anyways, I thought I would list it so you could improve that Knuffel.
    Stage 4 is significantly smaller than all the other stages:
    I didn't even see it as any kind of growth or aging or whatever (even though none of this would count as evolution), because it is not like it always gets bigger or smaller. Stage 4 gets smaller, stage 5 bigger again:

    http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/4723/001mx.png

    As said, not the reason why the Knuffel was neglected, but it doesn't' really make sense (to me)

    The second part is the one about things not evolving, but just being shifted around or changing completely instead of evolving and this is also explained on the first page:
    → No just adding a few clothes/accessories for every stage (and most of all: Not taking them off again! Your Knuffel must make a progress in evolving. Adding clothes, and then taking them off again or relocating them is no evolution and does not count as any change at all!

    That's what I mean:

    http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/9437/002zc.png

    First it is on the head, suddenly it is on the side and in the last stage it is suddenly a different item alltogether.

    Then the dress: From stage 1-3 it seems to evolve correctly. One dress that gets longer, then gets a belt...it all looks good so far. but then on stage 5 it suddenly looks like a completely different dress - the scarf part which you have been evolving from stage 1 to stage 4 is suddenly gone, the dress in the final stage looks like your Knuffel put on a different dress instead the dress form stage 1 evolving into the final dress to me:

    http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/2443/003fj.png

    And then one of the most no-goes, the hair:
    Short hair, short hair, long hair, long hair --- short hair again. That's the thing I mean with " No just adding a few clothes/accessories for every stage (and most of all: Not taking them off again!)" Sure, its says accessories, but it goes for any part of the Knuffel ( I will gladly edit that if this was not clear enough). Your Knuffel gets longer hair, which is perfect, but then, in the last stage, it suddenly chops off the hair again? That's kind of reverting the evolution again.

    http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/1582/004ni.png

    What I mean about the skin was that it is first light, then it gets these spots, then it gets dark, and the spots are gone again, which I saw as one of the "adding things and removing things" again thing, but now that I look at it again, I think you probably rather meant for the spots to become more till they completely become the dark skin, so that might have been my mistake.

    It isn't all that much, it is just the size change of the 4th stage, the hair that shouldn't get shorter after getting longer, and a bit more consequent evolution in clothing.
    I hope you do improve the Knuffel and re-submit it, because the art is gorgeous.

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 Post subject: Re: Why was my Wild Knuffel rejected?
Posted: Apr 29th, '12, 18:02    


Onis

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I think the change in proportion is clearly visible. But we'll agree to disagree.

The main evolving does happen in the skin, wings and horns. I decided to change the clothes that much because it was written that the clothes should evolve, and they come more of as an extra to show off the aging and evolution of the knuffel.
I don't see how 4 gets "loads" of changes. :s the belt is bigger and she has a line around her leg? 5 has two cuts in her dress instead of one. That's about it. The aging might be too fast in the pictures, so that it makes it look like a whole lot of changes. (though it's not really that different expect for the stomach - I had to scale it down because of the tail. The actual size of the head and legs are the same.)

I do agree that the evolving is not very stable though. But idk, a lot of the knuffels change in different rhythms. They suddenly grow a tail, then they grow accessories for 3 stages and in the final they grow ears.

Wren_Fritsche:
Thanks for posting. : )
I really don't want to undermine everyone else's work and say that I shouldn't change it at all. I totally agree with everything you said.

I just find the rules hazy. Currently there's a lot of things that were denied in the message I got:
- Shouldn't change accessory place
- Can't cut her hair
- Has spots in her face that disappear (ie. should change skin color plainly)
- Can't age

and more so from this thread:
- Shouldn't change cloth style
- Should keep the horns as simple horns (I was thinking of "fluffy"-like horns, like it'd first look it's a dragon, but would end up with something slightly different)

( I also added the other wing to bring some 'extra', so that it would be different from the previous stage. Admittedly that can look a bit silly and would be probably better with two of them growing. )

Even if I were to change her, I'd have to basically... remove everything that there is? If I had known in the beginning that she can't cut her hair, or age like Grimalkin does, or the accessory needs to be in the same place, I wouldn't have used 1-2 months of thinking time in vain.

( I'll reply to Firn in the next post. )

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 Post subject: Re: Why was my Wild Knuffel rejected?
Posted: Apr 29th, '12, 18:24    


Onis

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Firn wrote:I am sorry I wasn't able to explain it well enough. I will try it again.

I'm sorry if I'm making a scene out of this. : ) Not really my intention, I do understand what everyone is explaining and I'm totally fine with your reasons for rejecting it.

This alone would probably not have been a reason to reject the Knuffel, but since I had to reject it for other reasons anyways, I thought I would list it so you could improve that Knuffel.

oh! I see. I thought it was forbidden.
They are actually the same size, but... the tail screws things up http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd12 ... mesize.jpg - - If I get the time to change the knuffel, I'll do something about it. Thank you for the feedback. : )

Adding clothes, and then taking them off again or relocating them is no evolution and does not count as any change at all!

I read that as not being forbidden, just that it doesn't count towards the three changes, and added them as an extra. :s Could you change the wording to say that it is forbidden to do so? Same for cutting the clothes/hair. I didn't think it would be wrong, because, well, it's the same cloth/hair. It only reads that the knuffel can't change the clothes completely.

I think you probably rather meant for the spots to become more till they completely become the dark skin, so that might have been my mistake.

Yes. :') It is badly executed then.

With the skin I was thinking that it would first go to the other spectrum, ie. from light to dark, and then slowly find it's perfect place from closer the center. Kinda like there's constant fluctuation with the colors, until it becomes just perfect. Is this forbidden, or would it be allowed if it was more clear what was happening?

I hope you do improve the Knuffel and re-submit it, because the art is gorgeous.

Thank you. :qh: And I'm sorry for being a pain in the ass.

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 Post subject: Re: Why was my Wild Knuffel rejected?
Posted: Apr 29th, '12, 18:48    


ml1201

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Onis wrote:
This alone would probably not have been a reason to reject the Knuffel, but since I had to reject it for other reasons anyways, I thought I would list it so you could improve that Knuffel.

oh! I see. I thought it was forbidden.
They are actually the same size, but... the tail screws things up http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd12 ... mesize.jpg - - If I get the time to change the knuffel, I'll do something about it. Thank you for the feedback. : )

You could try having the tail curl like you did in the fifth stage, it would fit and then you can keep it the same size. "mchappy"

Onis wrote:
I think you probably rather meant for the spots to become more till they completely become the dark skin, so that might have been my mistake.

Yes. :') It is badly executed then.

I would suggest that in each stage, you make the spots slightly bigger, but also lighten the shade as they get bigger until the spots basically cover her and are almost the same color as what you want for the final stage. That might portray it better. "mchappy"

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 Post subject: Re: Why was my Wild Knuffel rejected?
Posted: Apr 29th, '12, 19:08    


Onis

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ml1201: Thanks. : ) I'll do that!

And I'll return... some day... when I'm done (again), for feedback. XD Don't hold your breathe, I'm very slow. Thanks again for everyone taking the time to reply to me and have a good niiight~ (*runs off to the night*)

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 Post subject: Re: Why was my Wild Knuffel rejected?
Posted: Apr 29th, '12, 19:53    


ml1201

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Onis wrote:ml1201: Thanks. : ) I'll do that!

And I'll return... some day... when I'm done (again), for feedback. XD Don't hold your breathe, I'm very slow. Thanks again for everyone taking the time to reply to me and have a good niiight~ (*runs off to the night*)

I've been working on mine for over a month myself, mostly because college is keeping me busy. :qhehe:

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 Post subject: Re: Why was my Wild Knuffel rejected?
Posted: May 1st, '12, 18:18    


Niji

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Hey,

So I just finished my first Knuffel, and befor I get rejected for it, can someone please tell me how to fix the problem that the last two stages are not really in the middle of the space...

I really dont have an Idea how to fix that
thank you

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 Post subject: Re: Why was my Wild Knuffel rejected?
Posted: May 1st, '12, 18:29    


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You can just move image around to place it more in the middle... Did you use Firn's or your own base and what makes them not in the middle anyway? Would be easier to advice anything, if you'd link the stages of your knuffel.

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 Post subject: Re: Why was my Wild Knuffel rejected?
Posted: May 1st, '12, 18:32    


Niji

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I used firns base, but I added a tail and it was just rather close to the upper end.

I found the tool, now I feel rather stupid
thank you

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