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 Post subject: Re: THE MYSTERIOUS JELLYFISH DOMINATION ♡
Posted: Oct 23rd, '17, 15:49    


Chrizine

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I know about the Struwwelpeter, but then again, I'm german, too, so it doesn't say anything about whether it's a german only thing ;)
I never read it though - my mother said it was horrible, nothing for children. So yeah, at least my mother already thought it was not educational for me at all. From all I've heard, I can imagine it being traumatizing! I highly doubt that anyone is still giving it to kids today. Hopefully!

Yeah, this idea of teaching children to just be obedient instead of teaching them values and "be a good person" is disturbing somehow. But it probably depends a lot on how you present the tales, what you discuss with your kids about them and stuff. I think you can really get better messages out of a lot of them than their original scary lessons, seeing how we don't really understand those anymore anyway. I don't think they'd influence a modern kid to be obedient. That might have worked in the context of an entirely different style of parenting than what people do today, but surely not anymore.
But yeah, no need to scar them mentally with books as horrible as the Struwwelpeter :D There's a lot of nicer books out there, we can just let that one die silently.

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 Post subject: Re: THE MYSTERIOUS JELLYFISH DOMINATION ♡
Posted: Oct 23rd, '17, 16:52    


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Gosh, I know you are German, why did I even ask that?! :mcheh:
Your mother was very thoughtful then. I remember that we had that book at kindergarden, that's where I saw it. Reminds me that, if I ever have children and need to pick out a kindergarden for them, I better make sure to check their book selection first.

memoriam, I don't even want to re-read the description *shivers*

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 Post subject: Re: THE MYSTERIOUS JELLYFISH DOMINATION ♡
Posted: Oct 23rd, '17, 18:00    


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I think we just get used to adding these kinds of questions in a community as international as this one :)
It's actually something I really like about the people here - everyone is very much aware that we have very different cultural backgrounds and experiences. In other places on the internet I sometimes get really annoyed because people just assume that you "have to" know about a certain thing, because it's really normal where they live. And they're like "how could anyone not know about the thing, do you live under a rock or something?" - yeah, technically, it's a big rock, though, I'm on the other side of the globe.
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I think she just remembered how horrible she found it as a child, if I remember correctly that was the explanation she gave me at the time. But yeah, I think in general she had good judgement in what she let me consume, I don't remember being freaked out as a child by any media apart from spirited away (we saw that together in the cinema, she didn't know it before), but I also didn't feel like she was particularly restrictive either. Like, I did read some of the more gruesome fairytales, but apparently at a time when I could handle them. I was also pretty young when I got into operas and they can have quite adult topics as well, but she must have talked them over with me in a suitable way for me not to get freaked out or anything.

That's actually a valid point, not just in regards to the struwwelpeter specifically. Taking a good look at the kind of books they think children should read could tell you a lot about how they think about and treat children and what they try to teach them.

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 Post subject: Re: THE MYSTERIOUS JELLYFISH DOMINATION ♡
Posted: Oct 23rd, '17, 18:31    


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I think my favourite fairy tale growing was the Three Billy Goats Gruff 8D I just really liked doing the voices. At one point my parents couldn't stop me from yelling out "Who's that trip trapping up my stairs?!" whenever we were near stairs and someone was walking up them XD

I also had a book (is it a fairy tale or just more of a rhyme?) that I loved about the pig that jumped over the stile. I memorised that one pretty early on xD I had this Ladybird classic edition which was more or less falling apart even when I "inherited" it but I loved the pictures so much.

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 Post subject: Re: THE MYSTERIOUS JELLYFISH DOMINATION ♡
Posted: Oct 23rd, '17, 19:41    


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*arrives way late but so not fashionably to the party*
Mikael Hart wrote:Aha, I'm surprised you recognized the movie! I remember when Wally first hit the theater, and all I could think of was that he looked like the Short Circuit robot. Johnny 5?

Oh, I have Beauty too; not sure about the Robin Hood one, though. I really liked her version of Sleeping Beauty.

I remember reading a lot of Gail Carson Levine too --she did pretty good with Ella Enchanted, but I'm less impressed with her other stories.
"Number Five IS ALIVE!" XD

I haven't read the Sleeping Beauty version. And I do like the 'Ella Enchanted' book, but the movie is ugh.
Firn wrote:I don't think I have ever read anyone's take on Fairy tales or faily tale characters. But since I always found the originals to be rather gross and scary, it wasn't ever really tempting. I feel like a lot of people in other countries think of the Disney characters first when it comes to fairytales, or at least of some interpretation similar to it, but since the Brothers Grimm were German, every kid (at least when I was a child) gets to read the originals as a child and they are really not kind stories. They were written mostly to scare children into good behavior and usually have some really cruel twist to it. Like in Rapunzel the prince actually falls down the tower when he attempts to climb it and there are rose bushes with thorns underneat the tower and the thorns poke out his eyes. Or in Cinderella her step-sisters cut off their toes so they can fit in her shoe and stuff like this. It was always rather scary and I never enjoyed the stories as a child. Seriously, if books had an age restriction, they would be at least PG 12, or even PG 16 as back when I was a child, movies were rated much stricter than they are now.
I'm one of the few who doesn't think of the Disney stories first. I really disliked them as a young adult, because they told the story wrong. lol. Cinderella has always been a favourite story for me, though, even though in my mother's version the stepmother enforced order with a whip. 0_0 I like Cameron Dokey's YA novelization better. The stepmother is a good guy. And a lovely lady. I don't think I'd have minded having her for a mom. LOL The author tries to figure out a way to make love on first sight not so stupid, too. I also kind of like Cameron Dokey's version of Beauty and the Beast, though it's VERY close in tropes to Robin McKinley's and to that new live action Disney thing, which seems to have also taken a lot from Robin McKinley's.
Mikael Hart wrote:Btw, I read the NPC info again, and I've gotta say, you've expanded the cast quite nicely! I really like the variety of characters that you've come up with. Also very curious about getting to know more about our little princess Walla. D:
I haven't looked at those yet, but I saw where Firn has posted the evolution pictures of the characters. They look really nice now. And yesterday I had an amusing mental image of the wuffel girl with her boss in a glomp hug and him flailing and yelling that she'd ruined his buahaha. Yes, I am weird.
Firn wrote:I am glad you like them. I am say I don't get to do as much with our NPCs as I liked to, because I would love to include them more in some site's features. Where you here for last Halloween Event? I think we had some pretty neat Wuffel action going on there. I was rather proud of that event.
I don't do hollowbean (not mocking it, that's what ET calls it) personally, but that dress from last year? My avatar still wears it often. And part of what makes me love it so much is that someone on another game got nearly the same idea and made a very similar dress, so two of my avatars can dress in a similar way! I love it when great minds think alike, so to speak. That's not sucking up, it's a quote. lol
Firn wrote:I think my favorite fairy tale is the Little Mermaid. Though, of course, in the original the prince marries the human princess and the little mermaid dissolves into sea foam. :qsweat:
But I had a really pretty children book with amazing drawings in it. I think that was why I liked it, despite the sad story. And at least it was just sad, and not gross, like Grimm Fairy tales.
I liked the original version. And also the one where the mermaid became some sort of sun fairy/guardian angel. I didn't like the Disney one at all. Well, other than the cook chasing Sebastian around. Poor Sebastian. And I've wound up with a RP Ursula.
jacobgrey wrote:I think my favourite fairy tale growing was the Three Billy Goats Gruff 8D I just really liked doing the voices. At one point my parents couldn't stop me from yelling out "Who's that trip trapping up my stairs?!" whenever we were near stairs and someone was walking up them XD
I used to play the mama goat when I was small. There were only three children in my family back then.

Many of you guys had such careful parents. I knew all about death and guts from early childhood. (animal butchering, and also a dad with NO patience for pets). I'm a little jelly! lol

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 Post subject: Re: THE MYSTERIOUS JELLYFISH DOMINATION ♡
Posted: Oct 23rd, '17, 19:56    


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I think m my mother didn't really care what I read (because for this she would have to read the stuff herself in the first place). She was extremely picky about what I was allowed to watch though. I remember loving the Indiana Jones movies as a teen so much, and the first was pg12, but the other two were pg16. So I was allowed to watch the first one, but not the other ones at that age. She then had my father record them from TV on video tape and "cut out" all gross scenes. Which ended up in scnes like "Indiana jones entering a dungeon - Indiana jones leaving the dungeon". The whole movie just didn't make any sense anymore. :mcdead:

About Fairy Tales I just remembered something funny. I had a fairy tales audiotape and one of them was of Beauty and the Beast. And in the story Bells has 2 sisters and their father is going away and asks each of his daughters what she wants as a gift and Belle sais she wants a rose, which he laters picks from the Beast's garden, the beast gets mad at him, captures him and so on... The German word for rose is the same - rose, just that you pronounce the e at the end. But I always misheard it as "hose" instead of "rose", which in German means "pants". So for a really long time of my childhood I thought Belle wanted pants and that was what her father had stolen from the beast... :mcsquee:

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 Post subject: Re: THE MYSTERIOUS JELLYFISH DOMINATION ♡
Posted: Oct 23rd, '17, 20:05    


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*SO DED of laughter* Oh man. That would make a beautiful spoof, Firn. Stealing the Beast's pants. XD

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 Post subject: Re: THE MYSTERIOUS JELLYFISH DOMINATION ♡
Posted: Oct 23rd, '17, 20:10    


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Yeah... and I always wondered why Belle wanted pants more than anything in her life... :mcshock:

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 Post subject: Re: THE MYSTERIOUS JELLYFISH DOMINATION ♡
Posted: Oct 23rd, '17, 20:32    


Tam I am

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As a little kid, I would have thought because pants are more comfortable, but as an adult, I much prefer skirts. Now days, Disney would tell you it's because Belle is SMART, and liberated. LOL

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 Post subject: Re: THE MYSTERIOUS JELLYFISH DOMINATION ♡
Posted: Oct 23rd, '17, 21:44    


Chrizine

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Lol :D

Not that wanting a rose so badly makes so much more sense though ;)

Also, I'm the same Tam, I've figured out that skirts are actually a lot more comfy than pants most of the time :)

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