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 Post subject: Re: Easter Event 2013 PART II - Egghunt
Posted: Apr 6th, '13, 14:42    


Amura

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I'm glad the event is gonna be soon over because that will mean way less problems for everybody.
Seems I'm one of the few, but I'm longing to go back to normal.


I don't think giving "free" eggs would be a good solution.
A browsing event is supposed to reward those who are often around, and people with several mules would get more "free" eggs -no matter if they were active or not. Then those who actually tried to hunt them will get mad because they made that effort and others are just receiving plenty of eggs for free :|

Also cuting the prices now that some people already bought items might be a problem, wouldn't it?

I'd personally prefer to have some full sets of those items auctioned by our admins when the event is over, so the event itself would not need to be modified in any way but we would get a chance to get those items we still need.
Just my two cents.

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 Post subject: Re: Easter Event 2013 PART II - Egghunt
Posted: Apr 6th, '13, 15:06    


Zupprika

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Auctionning would lead to rich people getting all the items. I mean, I won't spend 50k money on one item, and I'm sure a lot of people would. the items wouldn't be equally divided I think.

It seems there's no real solution to this - I hadn't thought about the mule issue x.x And lowering the prices now wouldn't be fair to those who already bought items, indeed.
I have to slightly disagree with you though, when you say this kind of event rewards those who are often around. Given the huge amount of eggs we need to gather, this kind of event doesn't encourage being active on the site : writing and posting something means losing time to browse continuously. I probably lost about 5-10 eggs while writing this. This kind of event tells us to browse without a purpose as fast as possible. I've never been so unactive on the site as I am since the event, and it's not only because of the lags, but because digging/feeding takes a lot of time, and I would rather collect eggs.
So, "often around" just means having time to spend on the computer, clicking continuously without doing anything else. I don't know how that's helping the site ;/
I don't really feel like I'm really on the site, since I'm doing other things while boringly browsing and waiting for eggs.
Browsing events are far from my favourites.

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 Post subject: Re: Easter Event 2013 PART II - Egghunt
Posted: Apr 6th, '13, 16:06    


Aylin

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Zupprika wrote:Auctionning would lead to rich people getting all the items. I mean, I won't spend 50k money on one item, and I'm sure a lot of people would. the items wouldn't be equally divided I think.
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So, "often around" just means having time to spend on the computer, clicking continuously without doing anything else. I don't know how that's helping the site ;/

I also don't want to spend money for items I should have been able to get for free. If I'm just too lazy to collect eggs, okay, but not if I'm not able to because of the site.

That's also why I never liked clicking events. It's just many hours of stupid clicking and terribly boring. But for some it's easier than posting and you can get an unlimited amount of eggs (usually), while the amount is limited for others (5 hidden eggs daily for example). So you could collect more sets, which means more food later on. Guess that's why it's popular, but don't know for sure.


I wonder if it would be possible to make something like another part of the event with the same items, where everyone can work for their items, but not with clicking. Can't we just make a posting event or something for another week? Would be long easter, but well... it's also a long winter... ^^"

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 Post subject: Re: Easter Event 2013 PART II - Egghunt
Posted: Apr 6th, '13, 16:57    


Zupprika

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Aylin wrote:I wonder if it would be possible to make something like another part of the event with the same items, where everyone can work for their items, but not with clicking. Can't we just make a posting event or something for another week? Would be long easter, but well... it's also a long winter... ^^"


I actually really like that idea ! I think it would be a good way to make everybody happy, and it will prevent the servers from crashing.

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 Post subject: Re: Easter Event 2013 PART II - Egghunt
Posted: Apr 6th, '13, 17:08    


Rinda

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I also preferred the last years Easter Event, when it was limited how many eggs you were able to find on server per day (was it around 5 - 8?).

I just don't get it how so many people have already got like whole another set of the egghunt event. I just a minute ago managed to find my last egg needed for one hairclip, and that's the only item I have bought from the Bunny Den.

*sigh* There's no way I'll find 150 eggs more to buy that light pink brooch. :mcsad:

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 Post subject: Re: Easter Event 2013 PART II - Egghunt
Posted: Apr 6th, '13, 17:40    


Aylin

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Zupprika wrote:I actually really like that idea ! I think it would be a good way to make everybody happy, and it will prevent the servers from crashing.

Thanks, that was also what I thought. I don't mind to work for the items, as long as I get a chance to do so. ^^

Rinda wrote:I also preferred tha last years Easter Event, when it was limited how many eggs you were able to find on server per day (was it around 5 - 8?).

I just don't get it how so many people have already got like whole another set of the egghunt event. I just a minute ago managed to find my last egg needed for one hairclip, and that's the only item I have bought from the Bunny Den.

Me too. I always liked the egg search, it was one of my favorite types of event and I hope it will come back next year. It makes more sense for an easter event anyway. I think it were 5 eggs per day.

Some people already collected many eggs before the site started lagging.

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 Post subject: Re: Easter Event 2013 PART II - Egghunt
Posted: Apr 6th, '13, 17:55    


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Zupprika wrote:I have to slightly disagree with you though, when you say this kind of event rewards those who are often around. Given the huge amount of eggs we need to gather, this kind of event doesn't encourage being active on the site


I have to disagree with this.
First of all - A lot of people complain about the "huge amount" of eggs you need. Which is really extremely upsetting for me to hear.
The event currency given out vs. event currency needed to buy the items is not any bigger than it was during the previous events of this kind. This means the amount of eggs you needs is much huger, but then again the amount of eggs given out also is! And this is something people have requested! During some previous event of this kind people complained that you needed more event currency that during a previous event. A lot of people joined in the discussion and in the end users themselves stated that it would "feel" more rewarding if you would just find the event currency more often, regardless of the price. So we have taken these users suggestions into account, raised the amount needed as well as the frequency with which the even currency was given out.
I try to listen to users' suggestion whenever I can, so it is very frustrating when it leads to other users complaining. It's the no-win situation for me all over again.

Second - The event is, in my opinion and also from my very own experience, clearly designed to raise user activity. If you prefer to just sit in front of the computer and mindlessly click the same page to collect eggs that is your choice, but it is not necessary. I have stated before that I am extremely busy with my final thesis for university so I am hardly around here, only reading threads in the feedback and support forum, replying in the announcement threads as well as PMs and from this alone I have collected over 300 eggs by now. If I had been active at my usual level on KOfK, which would include chatting with people, feeding Knuffel, browsing through other people's threads to see what they write, then I would have easily been able to collect all the eggs needed for this event without doing any extra work. This is not just an assumption, but something I know from the previous events of this kind where I have always participated in just like every other users. I like to do the same things other users do to see for myself whether something was designed to be too difficult or too easy, so I know that these kinds of events are very well manageable, if you just keep a high level of activity on the site.

The only thing that ruined this right now was the indeed all the lagging and downtime, but if it had not been for this, the event would have not demanded aimless clicking or anything else but high user activity on the site. And if just being active is more than users are willing to do then I really cannot help it, but that's the point of events: Some people just want stuff for free without any or little effort at all, and this is just not how things work or should work. It's completely pointless for starkad and me to put weeks of hard work into events where users basically get the items for free, log in once a day for 3 minutes and that's it.

I think we can all agree that this whole event turned out to be a huge failure, but it was not because of too high prices or anything like this. I am also very well aware that not everyone likes this kinds of events, but this is why we have a hight diversity of events. Some people prefer posting events, other people like lurkers will hate them, others complained that events where you collect 5 eggs a day were too boring and too easy and the items became worthless, others then again complained that the harvesting events were too complicated and so on. (In very absurd cases the same people even complained about one part of the event being too easy and the other part being too difficult. These are the ones that won't be satisfied with anything at all) I have my own preferences regarding events, but I can assure you that no event we ever had was impossible or was asking impossible things to do from our users. People just have different preferences, some may like one kind of events others won't. Some events might work for you and your user behaviour on KOfK, other's won't.

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 Post subject: Re: Easter Event 2013 PART II - Egghunt
Posted: Apr 6th, '13, 18:07    


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I agree with Firn - I'm one of the people who's managed to get all the items, and yeah, I've been a bit more active than I usually am, but I haven't been spending hours aimlessly clicking or anything. I just pushed through the lag even when it was at its worst, that's the only reason I got so many eggs. If there hadn't been as much lag I wouldn't even have had to be extra active, I don't think, I could have just been on the site as much as I usually am and that would have gotten me enough eggs. I know a lot of people are upset they couldn't get the items they wanted, but honestly everyone saying that the event wasn't fair or that only cheaters or obsessive people could get all the items is a little upsetting to me. All I did was have plenty of free time and try pretty hard.

That said, I do kind of agree with the people asking for the event to be extended - in a different way than it currently is, like a posting event for a few days or so, to let people who haven't had the chance to earn their eggs actually have a chance. I think we can all agree that this current style of event can't work if we have cheaters (and the cheaters don't seem willing to stop), but I don't think that's a reason to 'punish' people who didn't have the time or patience to suffer through the lag like I did. Giving them a different way to earn eggs is still in the spirit of the event, I think.

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 Post subject: Re: Easter Event 2013 PART II - Egghunt
Posted: Apr 6th, '13, 20:17    


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GirlCalledBob wrote:All I did was have plenty of free time and try pretty hard.

This is exactly the point. You would have needed lots of freetime to get all the eggs this time and not everyone can spend the whole day clicking.
Congrats btw for getting the items! ^^


I do agree that the amount of eggs needed is not very high. I was also shocked the first moment, but the eggs pop up very quickly and so it's easy to collect many in short time. I do like it that way. It's true that it's way more motivating if the eggs pop up more often and so I'm okay with the prices. Because of that it's a shame that the event became such a mess.

I also do agree that the amount of time needed is okay. Usually. If all would have worked out fine, it would have been no problem at all to collect the eggs. It should have taken about 1h per day, which is okay.

So, yes, the event was a failure. But what now? Is there any possibility we get another chance to get the items anyway? Maybe with another type of event? Would be such a pity if not. =(

Firn wrote:I try to listen to users' suggestion whenever I can, so it is very frustrating when it leads to other users complaining. It's the no-win situation for me all over again.

Firn, I don't think anyone blames you for listening to users and bringing back a type of event so many wanted. It's not your fault it didn't work.

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 Post subject: Re: Easter Event 2013 PART II - Egghunt
Posted: Apr 6th, '13, 21:27    


Rinda

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Judging by the discussion people have now had about the eggs, I don't find any other outcome to my difficulties to find almost any eggs, than that I just have terribly bad luck. I browse usually very long times (talking about hour or two, sometimes even a little bit longer), but maybe I still don't browse enough to find eggs. After all, I really enjoy making new dream avatars, which is not so much browsing, and writing messages even as long as this one, also takes time from browsing all over. Plus usually I want to read EVERYTHING people have written on some specific topics, so it also takes much time for me, since english is not my native language. It's much more easier for me to understand english, than write it, though.
However, there's so much more english speaking people on KofK, and it is language everyone can understand, that it's not much of a thing to complain, and that I won't do.

I think it is impossible to ever create a perfect event everyone would enjoy. As I previously said, I enjoyed more the last years easter event, with bounded amount of eggs to collect per day. The plantations are also very pleasant, this years even better than the last year's, since this one is a little bit more complicated and thus, a bit more rewarding. BUT, not too difficult.

If I could suggest somekind of easter event for the next year, I have on in mind.
Every easter, no matter where, it is a classic little game for children or anyone, to search eggs from different places. Here on KofK, the searching area have usually been the whole server, where eggs have randomly popped up. My idea is (it may take too much effort from Firn and sarkad) that what if Firn creates some kind of pretty easter themed "wallpaper" where is hidden eggs among different kinds of stuff. The game would be much like "Find 5 Mistakes", but there would be time in which you have to find as many hidden eggs as you can. When time runs out, you can play the game again after 24 hours, and you achieved the amount of eggs you found. The eggs could be hidden in different places every day, the wallpaper could change, or you should for example find specific colored eggs depending on the day.
On Facebook, "The Hidden Chronicles" is much like this game I suggested.

Well, maybe that one is too hard to create, but it sounded like a good idea? :mcgrin:

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