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On parents and OCs:
They have a living mom.  9%  [ 10 ]
They have a living dad.  7%  [ 8 ]
Their dad is dead.  8%  [ 9 ]
Their mom is dead.  7%  [ 8 ]
One of their parents is dying/in a coma, etc.  8%  [ 9 ]
It's all mixed.  25%  [ 27 ]
Mika, your polls are weird. ._.  34%  [ 36 ]
Total votes : 107
 Post subject: Re: ↓ → qυιℓℓ & cαиvαs 【 αи σc нαиgσυт 】 ← ↑
Posted: May 29th, '11, 05:44    


Nuke

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@Hart- Hmm, well sometimes people ask for advanced literate players, who are expected to write more and pace better. Usually people wait for who they're interacting with to post, but it takes a little more hook and area consciousness.

@Lunar-how goes it?

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 Post subject: Re: ↓ → qυιℓℓ & cαиvαs 【 αи σc нαиgσυт 】 ← ↑
Posted: May 29th, '11, 05:58    


Mikael Hart

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Aha, yes, I'm aware. I was just wondering about your views and preferences on that, since you're looking for a group RP yourself.

So you interact with people separately in a group RP? That's kinda like a bunch of one-on-ones all piled in a thread. XD

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 Post subject: Re: ↓ → qυιℓℓ & cαиvαs 【 αи σc нαиgσυт 】 ← ↑
Posted: May 29th, '11, 06:01    


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Nuke wrote:@Zia- I had a very long detailed argument about the nature of a furry and aliens, context, defamiliarization, racism and so on, but Knuffel ate my post, because I took too long. I guess you're lucky...

I did not read much of inhuman. I'm not use to so many words and to make a big deal out of cute aliens being at a difference with humans. *shrug* It's not that interesting to me.

Yes, they are furries. The author can say they are not furries (it becomes all the more apparent when one must make a 2 1/2 page post about it), but they are in every way shape and form. Furry characters have humanoid expression and are essentially humanish.

"Could Inhuman be drawn with humans? Well, while it PHYSICALLY could, it would not really work."

YES, as a matter of fact, a Klingon is pretty much a human with a defamiliarizing, "human-assumed" ugly feature. This is the characteristic of all aliens as most people know them. They have ugly or defamiliarizing features. If this is not made apparent through their appearance it is made apparent in their context, by who and what they are surrounded by. There are far more weird hairless aliens in Star Wars and even Star Trek than cute furry ones, but fur has nothing to do with furry necessarily. I described an example of this, but I will draw a picture instead now, since it was a pain to describe and it would make more sense if I drew it anyway.

"I see 'furry' as an art style, as a distinct statement about your work. That THESE ARE ANIMAL PEOPLE. Inhuman's characters are not animal people- they are human, inside and out,"

The author back tracks here. ARE they humans are AREN'T they? They are in essence, which the author described previously (in slightly different words)
"Furry comics are essentially completely human characters dressed up in animal clothes."

The author tries to defend different appearances with earlier examples of ugliness and defamiliarization. Furries are cute and familiar (and humanoid.) Also these "other than human" characters are not examples of aliens or necessarily aliens. They are purposely portrayed as unpleasant or ugly looking, not ideal at least. But the author's characters are NOT unpleasant or ugly. They truly are not unfamiliar or disgusting to humans.

I think the author SHOULD have used humanoid characters. It would've made a better point. What color are Klingons? What color are the aliens species in Star Trek with the huge ears? What color are Vulcans? What physically grotesque or unusual features does a Vulcan have? Ha~ As if today we're not prejudice. 200 years and going strong, my friends. Or what is a Qunari? (From Dragon Age [And then Dragon Age Two.])

Make them deformed, ugly, defamiliarizing, confusing. That's an alien, that's something we think "inhuman."

I think the artist's characters are furries, if I've ever seen furries.

[Picture] Here is my furry or is it an alien?
Wow. I'm lucky? That's still pretty long. I don't know why, but I'm getting hostile vibe here. I sent you the link, so you can take it up with the author, if you wish.

I think utinis are pretty ugly looking, and same as Amphs, though they haven't been featured in the comic yet. The earlier pages do have the characters looking very human-like, but recently the author has been better at making their faces more animalistic. 'Sides, there are other non-humanoid characters there, those who walk on four legs or even six.

I haven't seen much furry comics, but what I've seen were just relationship comics where the people were animals. No one seemed to find it weird that the other person was a rabbit, and there's almost nothing in their discourse which touches upon the difference between themselves, as if the different ears and tails were merely just different hair colour or eye colour. I find Inhuman different from this that there is a collision of culture here. There are collision of those from a race which had been personally affected by the massacres and those who haven't, and collision of different coping mechanism within that culture. So yes. Perhaps it could have been done fine between two different human races. But I still think it's a bit different from the furry comics I've seen so far.

What's more, I like it. But if you don't like it, that's fine. You don't have to like it. I'm not trying to push my taste of webcomics onto you, or anyone here. I was just reminded of the webcomic and wanted to share it. The "not-furry-comic" thing was prompted because I've spoken with the author and I like him, and I know he gets bugged when people categorize his comic as furry merely because of the art style. Again, I feel like you're being hostile with me, and I'm not sure why, but I'm sorry if I somehow offended you.

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 Post subject: Re: ↓ → qυιℓℓ & cαиvαs 【 αи σc нαиgσυт 】 ← ↑
Posted: May 29th, '11, 06:17    


Nuke

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Hart- Oh, my preferences, hmm... I haven't really thought about it. XP

Zia- Er, you didn't have to quote all that. I was kind of reply to the blog post. I'm just saying I don't understand how the characters at the beginning are not furries. :s I'm trying to explain why I think they are furries. I didn't mean to get hostile with you. I meant to reply to the content of the blog post (the one you linked), but I'll admit I got a little off topic on racial stuff. I'm just saying, they don't immediately come off as aliens instead of furries... I mean I can see how people get confused.

I don't dislike the comic, I don't know what a furry comic looks like myself.... but I don't really see how the furries are different... :s Sorry that sounded hostile. I hope it's clearer. :qhehe:

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 Post subject: Re: ↓ → qυιℓℓ & cαиvαs 【 αи σc нαиgσυт 】 ← ↑
Posted: May 29th, '11, 06:22    


Mikael Hart

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I didn't really read your and Zia's convo because it was lengthy and about furries (which is a subject I have limited knowledge on). I don't really like the term "furry" for some reason, but Lackadaisy could probably be categorized as such.

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 Post subject: Re: ↓ → qυιℓℓ & cαиvαs 【 αи σc нαиgσυт 】 ← ↑
Posted: May 29th, '11, 06:39    


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I tried to explain what I thought a furry was. I hope it wasn't too confusing in my post. Sometimes when I do my long augmentative style I do essay headings. I meant to point out what the typical alien is in comparison to a furry. How the comparison to various unpleasant images and villains doesn't support a non-furry argument. As a matter of fact I had a hard time understanding how the argument in the blog defended the non-furry thing, because in like four paragraphs to the end, I quoted these, the author says opposite things and these were things he pretty much applied to furries earlier.

A furry, I try to explain, has admirable, loveable features. A furry is familiar to people in his/her appearance, because they look like our favorite animals (per se) cats and dogs and foxes and wolves.

The default "alien" is like a green little dude with a big head and bug eyes. Often times the alien is a bug-like thing. Even if they're a furry bug alien, they're not a furry, because they aren't loveable or relate-able. They're weird looking, unpleasant, when we see them, we know they're "aliens." That's what I'm trying to say if it makes sense...

I guess furries are kind of associated with a kinky subculture, but it's a pretty big vast subculture as far as I know... I'm not sure what's so bad about furries... :s

Furthermore, I was trying to point out that this doesn't create an authentic tension. Like X-Men, we are not really suppose to feel like the X-men are freaks, we're suppose to feel like they're amazing super heroes. However, we know in the context of their story they are freaks. The same is true in inhuman, the reader doesn't feel a tension or unpleasantness with the central characters, at least not the first group. If the characters were ugly or truly unfamiliar, like the Aliens in that Aliens vs Predator. If one of those alien things were the main character we were suppose to feel sympathy and relate to things would be different. Kind of like what District 9. That's not to say that one is better than the other, but one is more matching to how the audience perceives what's happening. ... I think I'm getting a little off topic.

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Posted: May 29th, '11, 06:47    


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Nuke wrote:Zia- Er, you didn't have to quote all that. I was kind of reply to the blog post. I'm just saying I don't understand how the characters at the beginning are not furries. :s I'm trying to explain why I think they are furries. I didn't mean to get hostile with you. I meant to reply to the content of the blog post (the one you linked), but I'll admit I got a little off topic on racial stuff. I'm just saying, they don't immediately come off as aliens instead of furries... I mean I can see how people get confused.

I don't dislike the comic, I don't know what a furry comic looks like myself.... but I don't really see how the furries are different... :s Sorry that sounded hostile. I hope it's clearer. :qhehe:
Oh. I saw @me so I thought it was directed at me.

I think the problem he has with people thinking it's a furry comic is that they go "oh, it's a furry comic" and stop there, without looking at all the conflict and interaction and discrimination that goes on underneath. He started off with this big magic dragon thing and then scrapped all that and restarted, so I think he has a bit of pride associated with his work and doesn't like it when someone dismisses it as a mere furry comic or say "o i agree! humans r so evil im a rabbit dragon!" He's also on furraffinity so I think it's just that he's had so many of that sort of interactions that he's just venting on the blog post.

And, I think the reason they look cutesy is because as he pointed it out, it's reverse dehumanization. The aliens are often the most human of the cast, and Grey, the one of the few regular member who looks entirely human, is the least human... and he looks grotesque. Again, in his earlier works, he looks adorable, but he's gotten better and you see he is covered in scars, his bones protrude out, his hair is a mess, and his eyes are bloodshot. Weird looking, unpleasant, and a little off.

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Posted: May 29th, '11, 06:57    


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Zia- I meants @Zia just to show I'm replying to your post.

I only read a bit, because the amount of text was overwhelming for the format I'm use to. I think he should consider redoing the beginning if he does change it a lot, because new people who haven't followed his comic are likely to get confused.

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Posted: May 29th, '11, 06:59    


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Oh, I just realized I also forgot to change last week's semi-weekly topic. I need to be more on the ball with this. XD; Shall I change it tonight?

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Posted: May 29th, '11, 07:25    


Nuke

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Hart- I think you kind of spoil us as it were >w<

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