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Posted: May 31st, '11, 01:19
by Lunar Night Twilight
nuke: eehh?? when did i say i was disagreeing with logic? i was saying i didnt understadn that matrix reality stuff ._.

and cc meaning that im not in some smart private school! xD

mika: YES!! the awesome of 3oo!!!

okie doke! and haah that makes sense xD im a "novelist" first hahaha. i just like writing stories => well.. planning them anyways.

i have at least one crazy in most stories i do => like.. psycho status. as in they should be locked up in an asylum. but theyre not my main chaarcters therefore they dont need to be focused on as much, just that youre aware they are there.
hahah but isnt it funny how they say that the characters you make relate to you in someway? so the fact that i add those kind of chaarcetrs... is that saying somethin? or are they in tehre for my enjoyment as you say? xD

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Posted: May 31st, '11, 01:27
by Mikael Hart
That's cool. I think I've mentioned why I don't do well as a novelist before, even though I like writing stories. Something about discipline and motivation... XD;

Aha, whether psychotic characters reflect an aspect of yourself or if they're for your enjoyment is something for you to conclude, since you know yourself and your OCs best. I would think that Faris isn't much like me, but he's the type of character I would enjoy reading (and therefore enjoy writing) about; in the end, I guess it comes down to more of a matter of interest there.

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Posted: May 31st, '11, 01:28
by Nuke
Hart- You asked:
"But regardless of whether or not he'll admit it to himself, doesn't he have any deep flaws? And if he's in self-denial about them, then do you mean to say he isn't bothered by them, or isn't too bothered by anything about himself?"

I guess I didn't explain that well in the post about him and his girlfriend. I got confused, because I was sure you'd asked that before and I had tried to explain it... It doesn't seem to me I'm answering what it is you're asking if you ask the same thing again.

I think he'd more likely to lash out at any provocation if his gf broke up with him. He's emotionally unstable, but he puts all his emotional needs on his girlfriend... that's not usually healthy. He doesn't think about his deep emotional flaws, he's only in denial as much as he hasn't really realized it in the first place... He thinks of himself as being a serious, no-nonsense kind of person.

He doesn't think about emotions or being emotional and he doesn't self-reflect... It's just not in his nature- he's a ISTJ or something like that. (That's an MBTI type) He's a doer, not a thinker, if I told him what I think of him, he probably wouldn't understand it and might just think I'm being silly and psychobabbling at him. He would deny any claims of emotional insecurity, because 1- he doesn't have a good grasp on what that is (it's abstract), 2- it sounds weak and anti-masculine. So it might seem more like I'm offending his masculinity.

Does he admit it to himself makes it seem like he has some notion of his own flaws, but he's not wired like that at all. He's completely blind and dumb to it. So, I guess, no, absolutely not?

Lunar- You said: "> jussst because i dont agree with someoens logic im all of a sudden "weird". *stares at sister*"

I don't understand what you're trying to say... Is saying flaw is a noun that means "imperfect" the logic you're referring to? Are you having some argument with your sister? I don't understand how this relates to the topic.

I don't know how it's possible to disagree with logic. In the common mathematical system we use 1+1=2, but in a slightly different mathematical system that isn't true (I have a math wiz friend who was telling me about this, so I don't remember what he called it.) Language is a logical system of differences created by humans and it only works in so many ways. Words might evolve and develop new meanings, but while they hold a majority meaning that is their "literal" meaning. If you say you don't agree with the way a word is used, it seems like you're saying you don't agree with the majority. You don't have to, but the point of words is often to communicate meaning and create meaning that other people will understand. When it comes down to it, what I mean is, I don't understand what you're saying. It doesn't compute.

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Posted: May 31st, '11, 01:32
by Mikael Hart
@Nuke: Aha, I think it was because I felt like you were saying it so off-handedly that I wondered if he was bothered by those traits.

Not familiar with those acronyms...

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Posted: May 31st, '11, 01:39
by Nuke
Hart- Er, I think in Jung's terminology. Here's what an ISTJ description. None of the descriptions can be exactly right, but they're a general personality trait theory. I've studied Jung's meaning of the personality traits, so I have a fairly good grasp on what they are exactly, though the descriptions typically rely on mixing the traits. I don't mean to be too detailed about it though, so if I'm not making sense, just ignore this- the thing I'm trying to say is the link there.

I'm not sure what you mean by off-handedly... I guess I have a hard time applying it to Shin. Mikkou is fully aware of his flaws, he practically flaunts the fact he's a lazy, perverted, irresponsible, angsty person. And he's a thinker so he'll muse on them, but he ends up not caring. Morris constantly focuses on his flaws, which are almost all internal. Nuke doesn't think he's flawed, he thinks everyone else is the problem.

Anna (another character) is a lot like Shin, but she's more likely too preoccupied to notice her own flaws.

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Posted: May 31st, '11, 01:44
by Mikael Hart
Hmm, I guess if I try to relate your characters to mine's, I can see what you mean. You said Shin was more of a doer than a thinker, so he doesn't worry about stuff that doesn't outwardly affect him, right? I guess there's some practicality in that, er, at least in some sense.

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Posted: May 31st, '11, 01:45
by Lunar Night Twilight
nuke: oohhh!! thats doesnt mean disaggreeing with logic in general! haha i was saying two peoples perspectives in logic. in that case, bcs i dont think the way my sister does she says im weird.

hahah did i crash your computer brain nuke??? 8D hahah sorrry!!! xDDD
+1 for the confusion! xD <3

haha but for future reference, unless i say something directly, dont assume i mean something. or else something like this may happen xD

mika: well faris is a chaarcetr you liike a lot right?? well in general, main chaarcters someone makes, even if they dont match the creators personality exactly, its said that there is a slight similarity somewhere. even if its very small, its still a similarity =>>> creeepyyyy hahahah xDD >w> i recently discvoered this with some of my characetrs while in conversation with someone xD she made me take apart my charcetrs to find whats similar adn sure enough, we found stuff >>;;;

but i agree intrest playts a heavy part to => or else you wouldnt do it right???

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Posted: May 31st, '11, 01:48
by Mikael Hart
@Lunar: Aha, well, I feel like we both waste our time on nonsense, Faris and I. The only difference is, he doesn't see it as nonsense and I do. *headfloor* He doesn't feel bad about it either.

Oddly, I'm not very interested in writing about characters who are too similar to me, but I think I've also mentioned that before.

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Posted: May 31st, '11, 01:50
by Lunar Night Twilight
fffffff nonsense is fun~~ though not all may agree ^^;

haha you dont haev to! they somehow realte to you anyways!! >> <<
thats the creepy part >>>>>>>>>;;;;;;;

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Posted: May 31st, '11, 01:59
by Ziaheart
Nuke wrote:Zia- I see. Well, I think everyone is like that when they start off, especially at a younger age. I know my characters were like that. I cringe when I think of how I made some of my characters. I even wrote a Zelda fanfic when I was younger and Link fell in love with my angelic female character, though she doesn't love him back- though even before her I had a more Sueish character who was with Link. *so embarrassing*

I didn't think a lot about development and flaws, it came as I got older and started to consider their backgrounds. Character history is essential to my main characters, it determines a lot of their behavior and ideas. Characters like Mikko, Nuke and Morris have extensive, detailed histories and family turmoil. Idelle's (people's [they're futanari/bisexed incubus]) have a kind of hilarious history.

Shin grew up with a pretty average family though. Nothing tragic happened to him, he's the oldest- so his personality kind of reflects his stable up-bringing and his temper and pride are just kind of innate or developed.
Oh, I had a ton of those. Tuxedo Mask falls in love with a Sue! Asuka Jr. starts chasing after Kaitou Sue! :qlol: :qoops: :qlol:

I don't know when I started thinking about flaws. I guess after I started reading more and more I realized the perfect characters were the least interesting characters. My characters don't really have a big background history, though. I write them up as I go along. Icara is an exception, but she's like, 5 when the story begins so her story is basically her history.

I like to write about people who went through similar life style and how they cope differently with same issues. You're more nurture, and I'm more nature, I guess. :qlol:

"Write what you know" and I figured I know myself the most out of anyone out there. So I do draw on my self and my personality when I write. But my characters are still different people, I hope.