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On parents and OCs:
They have a living mom.  9%  [ 10 ]
They have a living dad.  7%  [ 8 ]
Their dad is dead.  8%  [ 9 ]
Their mom is dead.  7%  [ 8 ]
One of their parents is dying/in a coma, etc.  8%  [ 9 ]
It's all mixed.  25%  [ 27 ]
Mika, your polls are weird. ._.  34%  [ 36 ]
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 Post subject: Re: ↓ → qυιℓℓ & cαиvαs 【 αи σc нαиgσυт 】 ← ↑
Posted: May 31st, '11, 03:58    


Mikael Hart

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@Zia: I don't think that being a girly girl is a bad thing, as long as there's something to balance it out, right? The thing I don't like about most girls in shounen anime is that they don't have many flaws and that the flaws they do have ends up being something like, "They're too sweet and gentle." :X

Yeah, too many flaws kinda sucks. I mean, if all a person has are things that make you dislike him, then of course you'd end up disliking him. XD

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Posted: May 31st, '11, 04:27    


Nuke

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Hart- I don't mind general stereotypes, they are useful for kind of understanding a character at first, but I have a big hang up with engendered personalities. That's one of the big issues in gender theory and some types of feminism. Lily and Seafoam are very similar, but that doesn't mean Seafoam is any less important or male for being more whimsical or freespirited or artistic and Lily isn't more female than a female who's more prone to administration than hospitality. They're just different personalities.

I think I mentioned before that Idelle is a futanari/bisexed, but I usually write about "her" as female, because she purposely acts girly and dresses girly, but then she'll dress up boyish and dress up like a little punk when he wants to. She/he just takes on whatever persona works for her at the time and looks like fun. (She has a very actor-like personality.) Sometimes she dresses up and goes shopping with the girls and sometimes she dresses up and hits the town and the streets with the boys. She pees standing up, so it's kind of funny that most of the time she takes on a female personas.

There are a lot of choices as far as she's concerned, but none of them are really "both." Even though she dresses up differently and sometimes adopts the behaviorisms of one or the other for the situation her personality remains excitable, fun loving, social, stubborn about certain things and quirky as hell (she's an incubus.) She's the type who'll start dancing or singing just because she felt like it.

She's one of my favorites as far as being one of the more fun, comical characters.

Zia- I think everyone writes what they want to and that's for the best. I'm a collector of sorts and I tend to collect things I learn and apply them. I use other characters and people I know as examples for my characters who aren't like me. I've also read about behavior, personality, psychology, sociology and so on. I've read books by people who frustrate me and make no sense to me at all, but after doing so I understand something I didn't before about how such people think and I try to mimic it. Lily and Seafoam are like third characters, Shin and Lune would be more like secondary. My primary characters tend to be more like me, though lately I've been playing a mix.

I only think of Sues as being too perfect and one dimentional. I don't think being anti-Sue is a bad thing if it means characters with a lot of depth.

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 Post subject: Re: ↓ → qυιℓℓ & cαиvαs 【 αи σc нαиgσυт 】 ← ↑
Posted: May 31st, '11, 11:13    


AliceON

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.. . Ok, reading 5 pages is hard, but I really-really-really like the topic. XD

.. . @ Hart:
Mikael Hart wrote:What I was talking about for the topic, however, is more of the character's perspective on these flaws, rather than the writer's. Does he recognize his own flaws? Do they hinder him in any way? What do other characters think about these flaws? Does he have flaws that are absolutely negative?
Yeah, I see what you've put in the topic. I'm just making use of the fact that I can look at the character from any side, from any other character. So when I say "he's like this or like that" these are just my words but when I say that because of "being like this and that" he can be offencive and difficult to deal with I mean some of the characters think so or are experiensing this. It's by no means my dislike of his traits.
Just to be more exact:
The marriage of Kifrad and Jasem was an arranged thing. He married a random person because his family forced him to marry someone and the only thing Kifrad wanted from his bride is being a mere mortal. By the way it's his obstinacy: they want him to get a wife - ok it's going to be a human girl to spite them. (At that time werewolves became really picky about heirs as a werewolf + human couple could not give birth to children. Yes, I've written this ma-a-any pages ago)
However Kifrad ended up falling in love with his wife. Just fancy, he was lucky enough to choose a completely random person and it didn't turn into a fatal mistake! Miracle! But ok, it's not about his luck, just that he fell in love with his own wife. Jasem was not so enthusiastic but was like "ok...". She'd been brought up in a society close to our medieval times concerning the husband and wife relations.
But when they suddenly meet again in a completely different place after about 4 years (originally 89 but I changed my mind) of being sure that the other of them was dead, Kifrad sees her as a wife and wants her to belong to him while she is like "wake up, idiot! we are nearly strangers! I'm glad that you are alive, but don't even think I'm going to be yours!"
It seemed natural for Kifrad that they were a couple and he was not careful enough to check first what Jasem thinks. And naturally he made a mistake when he tried to behave as her husband. From this point the conflict is that Jasem is as stubborn as Kifrad is persistant. It's like two mules who are not going to let each other have it. Now she would not even think of him as a man to consider because of the... spirit of defiance? And the more he tries to win her favour the more it irritates her.
As you see his obstinacy causes him problems. Luckily he's clever enough to realize that a few more attempts to win her heart and he's going to lose her, so he stops when it's late but not too late. I give him much patience to compensate this flaw/imperfection. (yes, I do want her to love him too, but this my wish has nothing to do with the reality of their life. lol)
As for his own thoughts about himself... I think he does not really feel uncomfortable about his traits in general, but in cases like this he might hate some of them. At least I guess because of Jasem he regrets now being so self-assured.
He also had difficult relations with his brother, but I haven't developed this part of Kifrad's past well enough yet.
Mikael Hart wrote:I can see bits and pieces of "Mikael who was in grade school," but there's less of that now, and most of the "punkish and sarcastic Mikael in high school" is gone, though that side of me flares up every now and then, depending on the situation. Then there's the "naive and happy-go-lucky spontaneous Mikael in early college" to consider, and when I look at those different stages in life, I've changed, but put together they still make up who I am today.
Oooh, I always seem to get to back to "this was my world-view when I was in kindergraten", "this way I interracted with my little cousine when I was 7", "this way I thought about love and friendship when I was 15" and so on. And I'm afraid I'm still what I was in kidergarten. XD
My OCs definitely have more development that I notice about myself. lol

Mikael Hart wrote:I'll PM Ocean asking her if I can share the list of traits
Oh do please!!!

.. . @ Nuke:
Ah, I like your characters! XD

Nuke wrote:I'm also playing a lowlife, street elf. He's a "talker," he likes to provoke people, say terrible things and manipulate people and situations. He acts like he finds everything amusing and I've had people PM and comment on how annoying he is, but he's a fun character. It seems like some people find him annoying and some people like him. He's very much a trickster.
This one especially!

.. . @ Lunar:
I'm going to disagree with you. IMHO flaws=imperfections. if the character is not complete it is neither a flaw nor an imperfection. It's just an incomplete character. lol
I can name flaws of characters (what I dislike, whatthey dislike, what other characters dislike, what the readers dislike), but I cannot name a trait that would make a character complete if it isn't.
Purely my personal opinion. I wanted to share it. And I'm glad everyone agrees with what Nuke wrote:

Nuke wrote:I guess everyone can feel about a word the way they want to
*hugs Lunar*
But I like your "weird-ness" so much!
Maybe because I don't see any? What do you think? XD


.. . @ Zia:
I discover sometimes that I really like some of my sues from the past. I've got my very first sue who I feel ashamed of now, but I really like my latest sue! They are different but have some things in common. I've said "farewell" to both of them, but with one it was like "get out and never come back, you &*$#@^%!!!" and with another it was like: "good buy, dear girl! I will not write about you again but I wish you happiness!" XD
Ziaheart wrote:"Write what you know" and I figured I know myself the most out of anyone out there. So I do draw on my self and my personality when I write. But my characters are still different people, I hope.
I guess with my curent 4 main characters I've based them on my personality like... I've devided my known traits (those I'm aware of) in four sets. Then I added these sets of traits to the raw OCs. Like I had some ideas about a character but to know him better I've given him a bunch of my own traits. This way I can see his/her reasons and motives much better. I can put 4 different OCs in a situation to test how well the personalities combined. And I try to make sure that if the OCs have anything in common - it's not a feature they share with me. So I can have something in common with one character but not with two or more.


.. . That was loooong but I kind of did it!!!! Yay!!!! XD



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 Post subject: Re: ↓ → qυιℓℓ & cαиvαs 【 αи σc нαиgσυт 】 ← ↑
Posted: May 31st, '11, 11:49    


Mikael Hart

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Holy crap. XD I just saw your post and was like, "Whoa."

In any case, I updated the topic on the front page so that it has links to the character traits now. :)

Aha, I always try to fix my old Sues --there was a time when one of them almost became male. XD; A gender change is not a solution however; she was never meant to be a boy, and so I left her as a girl and just cleaned up her history some. She's still and archer and a warrior, but no one significant (no princess, captain of the guards stuff going on with her), and thankfully her personality needn't change much. I don't need to focus on her too much right now though, but she's important for historical reasons in my world.

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Posted: May 31st, '11, 20:15    


Nuke

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@Alice- Thanks ^.^ That's a lot of pages to read and I've been making long posts @_@;;

@Hart- She sounds cool like Artemis :qh: (the goddess of hunt from Greek mythology. I guess there are a lot of Artemises these days @_@; )

Somehow I've actually started a 1x1 with someone playing a bisexed character. I didn't think anyone would take me up on that, but I was wrong. >.<!!

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Posted: May 31st, '11, 21:27    


Mikael Hart

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Aha, Artemis is a popular theme; both my friend and I like her best of the Greek goddesses. Keep in mind, I was like, fifteen when I created her. XD My OC doesn't have Artemis' grace though; she's actually very tomboyish and upbeat --er, though I guess Artemis is supposed to be boyish in her own way, I keep thinking of her more like a dangerous beauty.

Ah, nice. :) I've seen all sorts on Gaia; is that where you found them?

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Posted: May 31st, '11, 23:33    


Nuke

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Artemis is definitely one of my favorite Greek goddesses, probably my favorite. I think the Greeks understood a great deal about people and the nature of things, even if they mostly made it into mythology.

Actually, I'm doing it on Solia. It's a bit slower there, but that's alright. Gaia's population is so large and overwhelming to me these days. I'm pretty sure I'd be harassed for having such a bizarre character. I don't know though. I suppose people are more open minded than I first suspected, but only one person ended up playing with me... Partly because I became somewhat insistent on an age restriction. I don't usually do that, but in this case I felt it was kind of appropriate.

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Posted: May 31st, '11, 23:58    


Mikael Hart

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How slow is slow for you?

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Posted: Jun 1st, '11, 00:01    


Nuke

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Hm, anywhere from once a day to every other day, sometimes more than that. Most of my RPs are taking every other day to 2-day breaks atm. I would say every 2-days is pretty darn slow, once a day is kind of the average I suppose.

What about you?

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Posted: Jun 1st, '11, 04:09    


Mikael Hart

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Once or twice a week is slow for me; with my job right now, my pace will probably be one a day or two days. I know I've posted over 20x as much in the golden years of my RPing life, but the posts then were roughly a paragraph to three paragraphs --five paragraphs at best. XD; My posts now are generally three paragraphs minimum, but probably hitting closer to at least five paragraphs to a page average.

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