Kingdom of Knuffel

LeannaAnne wrote:I didn;t see any options....it was like "save as: Png" <- saved with flat background. Like photoshop ask you for tons of information before you save it.

Maybe you have a different version then, mine has 2 options when saving as png.

Well as long as i can switch between Photoshop and sai by using PSD fules im all fine xD

Thanks Leanna!

I am really not sure whether anyone would feel motivated enough to do something like this, but I think what would be really helpful would be a guide on how to make Wild Knuffel.
At the moment I am rejecting like 30% of all submissions which really makes me sad. But so many people seem to have problems with that and mainly with the two points I stated in the announcement:
Backgrounds and significant change.

For the background it isn't so much that it isn't transparent, but that so many of the Knuffel have either white pixel around the drawing, or completely random white pixel somewhere in the image, random black smudges or lines and all other kind of weird stuff where I don't even understand how it gets there. T_T
So maybe it would be great if someone could put together a few tips about how to work in some basic art programs, what layers are and how to work in them, how to make sure that there aren't any weird smudges/pixel anywhere, etc. Just some random tips on how to get a clean result. Not a "how to use art programs" tutorial, because there are thousands of these if you search through google. Just some tips mainly focusing on clean transparent backgrounds.

And the significant change thing is really giving me a headache. I tried to explain in the announcement in the morning already that people should make sure there was significant change and that maybe adding at least 3 "changes" per stage was a good guideline, because I really had submissions like: 1stage -> 2nd stage: Adding a pair of socks, 2nd stage -> 3rd stage: Adding a bow-tie, 3rd stage -> 4th stage: Adding gloves, 4th stage -> 5stage: Adding shoes.
But looking at the Wild Knuffel that were uploaded ever since it seems that the "3 changes tip" isn't really solving the problem, because even if people make 3 changes per stage, the Knuffel just isn't getting anywhere. It is hard to describe without actually showing examples, but I don't want to go around showing someone's Knuffel as "bad example". It's like, the Knuffel just gets more clothes, but somehow it starts out as a "random dude with a little clothes" and ends being "random dude with more/slightly different clothes". And that's just not what people expect in an evolution.
I don't mean by that that the Knuffel has to turn into something specific, like Guy -> zebra. Many of my Knuffel are no concrete animals or things, but just fantasy creations, but it should really turn from "something" into "something different looking" somehow, and that's unfortunately not really the case. Some of these Wild Knuffel that were uploaded have a change between stage 1 and 5 that is maybe as significant as the change between stage 1 and 3 could be, at best.
And it's a bit frustrating, because people still put effort into these and I have to reject them. Because other people do pay food for these Knuffel and they expect them to change and have the right to get what they expected. Users always have the risk that the Knuffel might turn into something they might not like, but they should not have the risk of the Knuffel basically staying the same.

So, to cut a long story short: I don't really know how to explain these things better than with examples like I have put up in the announcement, and if I had a lot of time I would draw an example to show how it should NOT be done, but I don't really have right now.
So if anyone at some point feels like making a guide and trying to explain to people what mistakes not to make and/or give overall tips, that would be really helpful.

Just throwing the idea out here.

I think the biggest problem with it is people not reading or not willing to learn. We have art discussion forum and art post where anyone can come asking for advice. I've seen only three people actually posting there asking if their knuffel ideas are good enough to go through and be liked by others.
Seems like some users rush and try to just create anything without giving any thought to what they do.

I agree, some people don't want to know.

I just followed the way knuffel always appeared, like being cute a normal being in first stage, stage 3 revealing its identity, and stage 5 an explosive concept around that identity ^-^

But that people make knuffel have like...lots of clothes in the first stage, its making it harder for yourself...

Yeah I think the excitement of it all just results in people rushing to create them without actually bothering to read the whole announcement. The lure of food probably makes it worse. >.>

Firn, if that's your art just rushed and no effort, you'd never wanna see anything from me. I struggle to draw a straight line. LOL.

Ama, you were so busy while I was sleeping, YOU ARE AWESOME! *Loves all over you* I think you should be the one to create a true guide and we can just keep this to chat and stage spoilers, I don't mind at all. :)

And yes, Firn knuffel were because they were the only two available at the time. XD Don't want anyone to feel less special, please don't be offended, anybody. *Hugs*

After checking on what you would need to do to get the thread stickied.

Currently just having a list of Wild Knuffel with images will not qualify as a guide
You would need to add more Wild Knuffel info to it anyway- I know it is a work in progress at this time anyway, esp since this is all so new. I know you label this the Simple Guide so the work to get it Stickied may be more than you want to do.

That said:
Looking at Firn's post above;
I think it might be a good idea to include the How to make a Wild Knuffle with this thread.

I am sure there are people out there with different program expertise and if you can gather that info and create images and a small how to for the free programs and or major programs and maybe a do's and don't section the thread might better fall into the guide category, I'm sure that you all can come up with several features to bump the thread of to Sticky Guide Category.

http://oekamie.planetkalzy.com/pictures/OP_494.png

Does this look any better then the first? Mom dug out the old desktop mouse so I used my mouse~ so Oekaki and a mouse~

Okay, gave a bit of thought to all of it.
When it comes to knuffel:
I think I will do the list in different thread just to be able to keep it growing and posting images in it without any problems, while in this thread we will keep tips, basic info about wild knuffel, links and such.
Drawing tips:
I'm no expert here, but I can turn my posts in this thread into small guilde with tips and picture tutorials about basics of chibi drawing, shading and all other stuff one might need while drawing a knuffel. I'll be drawing my own knuffel soon, so I can use it as base for small tutorial about designing stages.

Sand> the lines look better indeed.

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