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 Post subject: Re: ⁂*ℭonfetti ℜain*⁂
Posted: Oct 4th, '18, 13:47    


jacobgrey

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@Mem thanks. I get some environments are worse than others but I just, well, 3 in a row? And if we're honest he's complained about something similar in every single job, I feel like. I've had awful bosses but each time I found a way to stick it out until I could move on somewhere better, rather than getting pushed to leave first.
Anyway - Well done on passing that test so well!

@Chriz - yes I'm shortening you too now :P
He told me all the details. Although some things, when I asked about them, he said he couldn't remember the exact wording in emails or the exact things his manager said to him. So who knows about that. And if I don't believe him, then any part of what he told me could be a lie or a cover of something he actually did wrong.
I'm going to have to take on more teaching times I think. He's agreed that if he is in the house, he will stay with the doors closed and not make any sounds until my teaching day is over. Although it's such a long day, I can do 6 or 7 hours, with only one hour in the middle for lunch. We just have to see if it works out.
I am so annoyed because he wanted to take up coding a few years ago. He even did a load of lessons and seemed like he was getting into it, then suddenly gave up. If he'd continued, he would have been able to do some freelance work now. But he seems to give up everything the second it gets even remotely challenging. Teaching isn't something he could do, so I have to cross my fingers about getting a new job quickly.

I haven't told my mum yet... don't know what to say. I didn't tell her last time either but at some point this all becomes too dishonest. Also it's going to be obvious that something happened if he leaves his job so suddenly. Maybe I can tell her after the appeal or something. On the other hand it would be good to get her advice as she has been faced with unfair dismissal before. I just don't want her to get a bad impression of J and start to pressure me to leave him or something :qmeh:

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 Post subject: Re: ⁂*ℭonfetti ℜain*⁂
Posted: Oct 4th, '18, 17:19    


Jill Valentine

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 Post subject: Re: ⁂*ℭonfetti ℜain*⁂
Posted: Oct 4th, '18, 17:54    


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coding is doable but tricky and hard..so I can understand giving up when it's a bit too far above his level.

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 Post subject: Re: ⁂*ℭonfetti ℜain*⁂
Posted: Oct 4th, '18, 19:20    


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@jacob: Well, I get that, my mom keeps having the same problems with her jobs, although she somehow finds her way to actualy stay in those jobs... idk how she does it.
It kind of worries me that you are slightly suspicious of J, maybe try talking with him on a more honest level, so you could somehow become more sure of him? :mcconf: From your point of view it really doesn't look well ;/
On the other hand, I'm a quitter too, so I kind of get it if you say he drops things when they get more difficult :mcheh:

And thanks, I passed the yesterday's test at 97% XD But guys, I could use my notes on both tests, so it's not rocket science XDD

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 Post subject: Re: ⁂*ℭonfetti ℜain*⁂
Posted: Oct 4th, '18, 22:30    


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Haha, I don't mind people shortening my name, I actually kind of like it :D

Ah, okay, I thought maybe he was not telling you details because of the way you said "he said he had proof this time" or something like that, it sounded like he told you abstractly but not what it was. So I thought more details might make it easier to judge if what he tells you sounds plausible to you. Of course any part of it could be lying - but to craft a convincing lie with a lot of details is harder, right?
It's good that you came to a solution for your teaching times! :)
I understand your conflicted feelings about talking to your mom - especially when you are kind of disappointed and unsure about the situation yourself, it's always easy to imagine that someone else would take it in a similar way. And a mom that thinks badly of your partner is no fun at all, I used to have that problem when I was still with my ex. I was always worried about talking to her about anything that wasn't super positive because I didn't want things to get worse. I'm not sure if that was the right thing to do though, she may have thought that I just blindly only saw the good things in him, because that was the only thing I showed towards her.
Why do you think she would pressure you to leave him/ get a bad impression? Have there been problems between the two of them before? Has she expressed concerns about his work issues before? I think it is unlikely that she would immediately think he was in the wrong if neither of that is the case. Especially if she has dealt with a similar situation herself in the past.
memoriam wrote:he drops things when they get more difficult
That got me thinking just now - maybe it's just that when there's a difficult situation with his boss (that might really not be his fault), that just bums him out and he loses his work ethics because the job becomes such a thing? That could then lead to his firing at some point and might explain why it happens again and again, since some unpleasant situations might just be expected to happen? I'm really talking out of my ass now though, I have no work experiences myself and I know far too little about the concrete issues he is having to know if this could even remotely make sense. Just a thought I had ;)

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 Post subject: Re: ⁂*ℭonfetti ℜain*⁂
Posted: Oct 5th, '18, 10:44    


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Phew, that was a lot to catch up with!

Hi Jill, we are talking about jobs/new jobs/losing jobs/getting jobs/jobs to be able to afford a living :D

mem,
Congratulations on passing both tests so well! Seems like a great start at the new company! I am happy you seem to get along with your colleagues :) Do they also meet outside of work from time to time? Like drinks once a month or something? Or lunch? Maybe you can be friends with them as well, wouldn't that be great :P ?


jacob,
I really agree with what mem & Chriz said.
I also feel terribly sorry for you... You are working your ass off day in day out, struggling about doing the magazine, the teaching and what not and now he was fired (again) and all the pressure about earning money is on you... So far I don't really believe him eithe (but we know your perspective only though, so I might just have taken on your position here :D).
I'd try talking to him once again, too. Like mem said, maybe he never felt comfortable in his job? Or as Chriz said, maybe he was bummed about sth the employer said/did or he was bummed about not being able to achieve something so his work ethic slumps?
Either way, I guess it is a very sensitive subject for him so you should probably be careful how you talk to him because he might be easly offended.

I think I am getting a cold, which is super inconvenient because I have to work Saturday and Sunday. I need my voice for my job.

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 Post subject: Re: ⁂*ℭonfetti ℜain*⁂
Posted: Oct 5th, '18, 16:21    


jacobgrey

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Yessss shortening everyone's names :P

I think Chriz is probably very close to being right. Guys, he gives up on EVERYTHING. His sister is a high-level and very well-earning coder so he could have had all the help he needed if he wanted it. He could even have had help to get work in the beginning, which would be such a good advantage.
He also started a law degree and gave up after a year. He finished his music degree but just barely, and with not a great grade. He decided to get signed off work sick and never bother going back to one of his jobs because he felt stressed. Even down to the day to day level, if we're talking about something and he gets rebuffed once he'll give up. Which is so frustrating in arguments because he'll never come after me to try to make things right - if I walk out he'll just let me leave. I've done it before a few years ago, literally stormed out of the house on a winter night with nothing but a cardigan and my phone and he didn't even try to call me to get me back. I eventually slunk back in again because I was too cold and I didn't really want to go to the train station. But anyway I just started telling a whole new distracting story so~
I think it's right, probably he gets told off for doing one thing and then instead of trying harder, just gives up.

In terms of lying... he lies all the time and really well. I just have to basically blindly trust that he isn't doing it to me as well most of the time. I've caught him out before in lies that I believed fully until I found proof. So for that reason, it's hard to trust when he says things like this. This is probably the biggest issue we have in our relationship as a whole. It's tough because the longer he goes without a major lie the more I can trust him, but then something like this happens, the doubt is still there.
Anyway, he doesn't say anything new about it. I told him that when he starts his appeal (he has to wait for a letter from his employer with official proceedings first), I want to go through everything with him and help him to set up his argument. That way I can see for myself as much as possible.

As for my mum, well, yes, she's very critical. I mean, of everything, including me. But on more than one occasion she has already questioned whether he's mature enough, whether he's responsible enough, even whether he's smart enough. She literally came straight out and asked me if I thought he was smart enough for me. So, even though he tries his hardest with them and I don't think he ever does anything wrong in front of them, she still has doubts already. She's also questioned a lot about the fact he hasn't proposed yet, she even said she doesn't think he ever will, which is such a stupid snap judgement based on never even discussing it with him.
I know it's kind of stupid even if she only tells me these doubts because I can just tell her to shut up, but I feel kind of protective. I don't want her being rude or mean to him. She has such a sharp tongue and she's more than capable of bringing something up 20 years in the future just to be hurtful. So I try never to tell her anything negative about him.

@Mem congrats from me too, that's a high score~
I am in the same position as your mum, I have had those kind of problems too with bosses who were mean and rude and blamed me for things I didn't do. But I also kept those jobs. I remember when I was so stressed at my last job I was literally vomiting and crying every morning when I got into the building, and I carried on going there every day. That's why it frustrates me so much that this happened AGAIN.

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 Post subject: Re: ⁂*ℭonfetti ℜain*⁂
Posted: Oct 5th, '18, 17:31    


LittleJulez

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Sounds quite right to me, too, Chriz. I deeply hope that we are wrong and that this time it as really his boss who is wrong and not him. It's great you want to help him with the appeal anyhow :) You seem to be a very nice and hard-working person to me, don't let anybody let you down or stand in your way.
It feels like you are moving forward in life and have plans and aims, I don't know if he can live up to that (obviously only judging from what you have told us).

About your mum, I wouldn't tell her anything either :D

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 Post subject: Re: ⁂*ℭonfetti ℜain*⁂
Posted: Oct 5th, '18, 17:43    


jacobgrey

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You may be right!
Ugh I love him so much, everyone has their good and bad sides, I know. I can't imagine going on without him. So it's not like I'm questioning whether I should stay. I almost feel like I don't have a choice, even if he lets me down badly, because I love him so much. But this is certainly not how I would have pictured things going at the start.
I try to have serious talks with him about things like this and how he has to keep trying, not give up when things get hard, and so on. I just don't think it ever sinks into his head.

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 Post subject: Re: ⁂*ℭonfetti ℜain*⁂
Posted: Oct 5th, '18, 17:50    


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