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Re: *Private* Tripping the Light Fantastic
Posted: Sep 20th, '17, 18:37
by Formiana
The thought of reworking a long-fic idea into a short fic gives me physical and mental pain. The only way I could see that ending would be 2000 words of incomprehensible, high-concept exposition. I'm sure it could be done, just... not in the form it deserves. Not by me, anyway.
I heartily, heartily support the idea of turning it into a series of shorts. That would be, as the young folks say, "lit".
Or you could keep it as a long idea and save it for November. That's right around the corner you know.
Re: *Private* Tripping the Light Fantastic
Posted: Sep 20th, '17, 18:43
by Stroctoperry
How much exposition is really needed? Short stories are very spare, in that way. Alternatively, pretend you're turning a long-running anime series into an 80's movie.
Fanfic cannot be lit. The lit people are very particular about who gets to be lit.
Why not do the same for your ideas?
I'm not spending all November on a Naruto SG1 fusion AU. No one wants to wallow in that kind of garbage for that long.
Re: *Private* Tripping the Light Fantastic
Posted: Sep 20th, '17, 19:34
by Formiana
It's unfortunately my concept that would necessitate exposition. The idea I have is plot-based, and you can only fast-forward through so much without losing the core of the story. It's why I don't think it would work as short stories, either. The lengthy plot is the whole point.
Forgive me for not knowing from your previous work that you don't like to wallow in garbage. For the record, I think that plenty of (highly specific) people would enjoy a month of Naruto SG1 fusion.
Do you know what your NaNo is going to be?
I reread some of my old writing again. I really liked it, and now I'm angry at myself for having written it in the first place if I was just going to abandon it.
Do you think anyone would enjoy reading ten chapters of episodic Ouran Space Pirate fiction that has no overarching plot and doesn't reach any particular conclusion? Technically every story stands alone, but would it make people mad that the collection doesn't resolve?
Re: *Private* Tripping the Light Fantastic
Posted: Sep 20th, '17, 19:46
by Stroctoperry
Write it like (certain types of) classic sf, then. Plot only. There's a whole lot you can force into a short story if you have no expectations regarding setting or characterization.
I am hurt. Did you never guess why my stories are so short? But yeah, I'd probably enjoy reading a really long Naruto SG1 fusion. Just not the slog of trying to write it and make it not terrible.
I was hoping to give my Avengers Pern fusion AU another go. Not saying it's impossible I'll switch to the new idea, but it's not likely. Do you know what you'll be writing? I've been considering trying the snowflake method this year. (some call it "planning")
Turn that anger into righteous indignation, and then into productivity. Finish the one you like the most.
I think some people would enjoy it. As long as you mark it as complete, you're pretty safe from anger. Some people might ask you to write more, but they'll have no reason to be angry. I left a stupid fake teaser at the end of Fury Road Trip, right? Nobody was bothered.
Re: *Private* Tripping the Light Fantastic
Posted: Sep 20th, '17, 19:50
by Stroctoperry
Sorry for double-posting again.
This is a note I made to myself after a lab meeting. Does it sound like an original concept, or am I forgetting something I read/heard of before? Note:
non-fan-fiction: artificial intelligences arising from voluntarily linked hiveminds - it's like the internet but made of people, and each one develops its own personality. They interact somehow, potentially in a competitive way, so that people want to join one or the other. Fantasy football meets holobiont singularity? (you need a minimum number of participants to make a hivemind, or the singularity doesn't occur and you're much too intimately aware of each other; the oldest hiveminds have none of the original participants still physically linked (due to death), but they retain characteristics thereof because they are part of the collective memory/consciousness; it's a big deal when two holobionts join or when one voluntarily dissociates; it takes a lot of campaigning [like a Kickstarter?] to start a new one)
maybe there's one big one that most people are part of, but it's so large that it can't generate any particular personality. therefore, fans of this as-yet-unknown activity choose to be a part of smaller ones instead, because of the fun. they can access the larger one, but more like the traditional internet instead of in a hivemind fashion. they're holobiont geeks. other people think they're really weird. there are probably admission requirements for a lot of the more niche holobionts.
can they interact with the AI of their own holobiont in some sort of virtual reality scenario?
Re: *Private* Tripping the Light Fantastic
Posted: Sep 20th, '17, 20:00
by Stroctoperry
Okay, triple-posting. I'm the worst.
I just did three pull-ups. Two of one grip, one of the other. I have never been able to do one before. In high school, when I did strength and conditioning, I was lighter and more fit and I couldn't do one. I am now heavier and less fit. What is going on?
Re: *Private* Tripping the Light Fantastic
Posted: Sep 21st, '17, 04:03
by Formiana
Wow. You are the worst. I look away for a few hours and you hijack the thread.
I thought planning your stories beyond the setup phase didn't work for you? Or is it just that you hadn't given it a serious attempt before?
The idea reminds me of some things but doesn't strike me as something I've read before. Something about the fantasy football league aspect feels familiar. Can't think of any other works that had AIs emerge from hive minds, though I think some exist? I'm not super up-to-date on modern SF tropes. I like it, though. The kickstarter angle feels fresh and relevant in a Millennial way.
I think the pull-up is a side effect of living with a ninja. You've been stealing his power while he sleeps. Continue. (Where and why were you doing a pull-up?)
Re: *Private* Tripping the Light Fantastic
Posted: Sep 21st, '17, 04:36
by Stroctoperry
It's... what I do.
It doesn't usually work, but maybe if I plan it A LOT it will be more like writing from an outline. Which is boring, but I can do it. It's where baby papers come from. And NaNo is best when it's boring.
I don't want to be fresh or relevant in a Millennial way. None of those things is appealing to me.
Will do. I used his pull up bar. It's in the doorway that leads from the living room to the kitchen. It's just so tempting. He's also got some wooden cylinders hanging from it, presumably to practice gripping and hanging from cylindrical things. They're also tempting, but I haven't tried them yet because my hopes of success are not high.
You didn't say what you're planning for NaNo this year.
Re: *Private* Tripping the Light Fantastic
Posted: Sep 21st, '17, 17:21
by Formiana
For me, NaNo is boring when its boring. It's best when it's... not boring. But if it works for you, it works for you. Why don't you just go ahead and make an outline if you want an outline? Why be a special snowflake at all?
I'm sorry, Merch, but I think you're going to have to accept some level of Millennial freshness. You are, in fact, a fresh Millennial. Your crotchety old person disguise can not erase who you truly are. Embrace your freshness. Would you be happy about your idea if I hadn't accused you of being fresh?
From your summary, I got a multiple-main-characters-and-viewpoints vibe, but that might just be because it reminds me of things that have multiple viewpoint characters.
Wait for a week and then try the cylinders. Give yourself more time to leech his power. And do a pull-up every time you walk through the doorway and no one is watching. GET SWOLE.
I don't really have an idea for NaNo yet. I have a word document full of thoughts that don't go together. And all the ideas I ever get excited about sound samey, anyway. Should I really be writing "CRAFTY, MORALLY AMBIGUOUS YOUNG WOMAN GAINS EXTREME POLITICAL POWER" for the third year in a row? It's kind of embarrassing. Even I cringe.
Please donate good ideas to the idea fund. Idea infusion needed.
Re: *Private* Tripping the Light Fantastic
Posted: Sep 21st, '17, 19:13
by Stroctoperry
I don't know if it will work for me. That makes it exciting. And the snowflake method sounds fun. Have you tried it?
I'm too crotchety to be fresh. I cause fresh food to rot spontaneously. See Exhibit A, the fridge.
I'm happy with my idea regardless of its freshness or Millennial status. Not sure about multiple viewpoints. I'm trying to imagine it in an Asimov's-type format. Considering an outsider viewpoint character - not really into technology, but knows people who are.
There are always people downstairs. I will never GET SWOLE.
If no one ever sees the finished products, no one will ever know you've gotten predictable. What type of genre are you leaning toward?