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 Post subject: Re: A few thoughts on the perk items
Posted: Feb 10th, '18, 22:31    


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I have to say I miss the "gold" remake of item in gold from donating x amount.

It also appears from the trading ive done already with users they still value old gotq items very highly. (Even highier than older MT/ TT sets)
even though you could win one by posting, it hasn't de value of them by much. Although as collecter changed my mind a little on there value as it mean each time 5 users win one thats 5 more on the server.

But it's nice feature I do like it, im glad some of the activie users get rewarded for just being online.

But I do think it's cute you get items for donating smaller amounts, I like that.

Just wish you could collect them and make a matching set like a mt or tt, That be awesome.

So if you keep at donating over few months you get a unique matching set, I like the sound of it!

After the "uquie knuffels " ive lost intrest in collecting them, still want all the shop ones. But I could see a special knuffle from donating would be a useful trading item for me or fun thing to have.

Just throwing this out there, if you made it exspenstivie I bet you could sell old MT & TT sets, Just like the older generation knuffle. Even if you made it limited amount? Still means it is possiable to have a older set.

I've paid over 10fc for knuffel before from the shop.

You can always save fcs for it? :mcconf:

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 Post subject: Re: A few thoughts on the perk items
Posted: Feb 11th, '18, 18:57    


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Firn wrote:
Bunnei wrote:
However, for example if the knuffel would be the top donation perk, I would like it to not always be the case. Like, a unique knuffel is the top perk for a few months or something, and then it changes to a non knuffel item.
I guess my thought is i would not like the unique knuffel to completely replace the top perk item, but it would be a wonderful addition to offer at times.
I already talked this through with users on other ocassions before: Any kind of temporaty additional reward for donating that is not available at all times, is out of the question, because it always results in users not donating when such a reward is not available and holding off with their donation till a temporary reward will be available at some point. And while this might not change the overall amount of donations, but just shifts them from months where there are less to months where there are more, this is still a huge problem for us, because we have fixed times when our servers need to be paid.
We experienced this ourselves when we had a special deal on Fairy Coins, where people stocked up on them and then we had much less donations for the upcoming months, but also, when I talked about this with other users in other threads, they also confirmed that this is exactly what they do on other sites/games that have temporary offers.

I can imagine a Knuffel being a reward for the 20FC perk to replace the item from time to time, but I don't see it as any kind of additional offer.
I may have not worded my thought completely right, :mcheh: I wasn't meaning for the knuffel to be an additional reward, I meant what you said at the end of your statement, i like the idea of a knuffel being the 20FC perk from time to time :mcglee:

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 Post subject: Re: A few thoughts on the perk items
Posted: Feb 11th, '18, 20:03    


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I wouldn't mind the occassional knuffel as a donation perk, but keeping the top tier perk the same for several months in a row sounds like a bit of a bad idea. I think it'd be best if the knuffel was gifted for only one month, like a regular gotq, if it were to replace the 20 FC tier.

(Though I'm not in general against keeping a perk knuffel around for longer than a month. Just maybe not as the top tier, since some people might donate less if they already have the perk from the previous month)

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 Post subject: Re: A few thoughts on the perk items
Posted: Feb 11th, '18, 21:35    


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I generally don't think the same perk item for a several months is a good idea. If a knuffel was a donation perk once in a while, cool. Just instead of an item.

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 Post subject: Re: A few thoughts on the perk items
Posted: Feb 15th, '18, 03:11    


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I wouldn't even mind there being a higher tier for Knuffel but no one liked that idea last time I suggested it.

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 Post subject: Re: A few thoughts on the perk items
Posted: Mar 6th, '18, 04:17    


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I hate to be the debby downer but I am not sure the new Queen item has hit it for me either this time.
Any thoughts???
I can see the addition of the gold in the bow, but it still doesn't feel right.
I kind of have to wonder if it was ALL gold if I would like it better XD.
Maybe if next month it's a remake of an old TT item in gold with some adjustments if I would get that feeling again. :mcsweat:
I don't know lol, :mcsweat: I just know I'm kind of disappointed this month too.

Like I said regarding adding a knuffel to the donation perks it would really be better if it was more of a kind of "drop" rate system when you donate. Instead of the month by month thing where people have the tendency to hold out if for example one month didn't have a unique knuffel up for grabs.
I like the drop rate idea more then any other because it has the possibility of more revenue for the site with few of the drawbacks.
It could be like
10%--5 :fc:
30%--10 :fc:
60%--15 :fc:
90%--20 :fc:
(%=the probability that the knuffel will "drop" for you. But these are hypothetical drop rates they can be adjusted) We could even have a cute story in which unique knuffels are attracted to fairy coins bcs they are shiny and the more you get all at once the more likely that knuffel will approach you and want to be your friend :mcsquee:. I don't know some story like that so it blends better with the lore?

We could even have that unique knuffel be up for more then a month if people need more time. I fear that if the knuffel is a permanent kind of fixture to the queen items itll create that hold out problem and maybe it'll over saturate a bit? And the unique knuffel wont be so.....unique? But that's just my thoughts at the moment.

{Edit}
But who knows maybe this month people have received it better, I sure hope so. I've seen some good reviews from some users. I wish I could come up with another idea for the queen items to make them a bit more irresistible for people. But like I'm out dry atm xD
I guess I'll just have to think about it some more
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 Post subject: Re: A few thoughts on the perk items
Posted: Mar 6th, '18, 09:50    


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I always work on items in advance, otherwise I would not have a time buffer to work on things like events, so the current donation perks were completed before this thread was even created and no suggestions from this thread were implemented yet.
However, I did try to make a more detailed and elaborated item for the 20FC perk for next month and might try using tweaked old MT and TT items again for the month after that.


I am not too fond of any "drop rate" for Knuffel for donations, as it has too much of a gamble feel to it. That's always tricky and also makes things complicated as there are strict rules involving any kind of gambing when there is real money involved in many countries.

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 Post subject: Re: A few thoughts on the perk items
Posted: Mar 6th, '18, 12:42    


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I liked the knuffel drop idea and wanted to suggest that maybe the drop would be of arandom unique knuffel, not a spcific one... then Firn wrote about the gamble thing :mcheh: I keep forgetting it's probably just me being like "oh, it's a nice addition that might happen, I don't necessarily need to actually buy stuff just for this small chance" :mcargh:

But yeah, I thought that this month's perks are probably premade items, I'd make them in advance too, otherwise it might be chaos each month XD

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 Post subject: Re: A few thoughts on the perk items
Posted: Mar 8th, '18, 05:02    


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Oh alright Firn! Thanks for coming to inform me. I completely missed the fact that you did that as that makes the most sense. Otherwise like you said everything would be back tracked.
I'm sorry if my comment made it seem like you didn't take our suggestions. I wasn't really thinking that at all, I was just like "huh, I wonder how I would feel like if it's in all gold". But now I feel really excited for next month. :mcsquee:
I can't wait to see it! I still hope that people like this months too to donate.

In regards to the "drop" knuffel idea. At least in the USA, according to the law it isn't gambling at all. Bcs you can't trade the "virtual" cash for any real money. Like you can't trade a "knuffel" to a bank, or an instituation, and get real life money in return. So it isn't gambling. Regardless of the fact you spend real money to get it, the fact you can't trade that away for real money is why it isn't gambling.

Why casino chips are considered gambling is bcs you can buy them with real money, and then return them for real money.

I think most countries have laws like this regarding online gaming. Otherwise no game who uses the "summoning" "gacha" "surprise box" etc etc could make a profit of any kind. Take LINE PLAY for example, they have this system and you can download it all over the world. Paying real life money to get virtual cash to spin on virtual gachas to get virtual items. But since you can't sell those items back for cash thru conventional means. It isn't gambling.

Now this is referring to what I would say institutionally serious , its a whole corporation, gambling.

What we could be implementing for a knuffel in the donation system is really not much compared to that. It's a "chance" item.
And yes it may be a "gamble"
But we take a lot of gambles in life without considering them "gambling". It would also be....a VERY small part of the site. As everything else can still be obtained thru outright buy.

Of course, its up to you and starkad. But other options have some proven drawbacks. We will see if maybe something better comes along and that'll be great. But I think this is still a really good idea, that is worth considering.
Your art is incredible and you work very hard. I just think the least you deserve is for the site to pay itself. What I would want most is for you to have a profit from your own work bcs I think you deserve that. After all this time and all you work and how much you continue to work to keep this up.
It's also why I'm so insistent lol, I want the site to succeed and I've been here so long I basically grew up here too. KofK is important to me. (Not saying that it isn't important to all of you here, I'm just saying it's important to me bcs sometimes it isn't obvious :mcheh: ) And I want you Firn to stop having to worry about if the money will come. It sucks, I can't imagine how much worse it must feel like for you seeing as your our admin. I might be wrong but I'm sure it doesn't feel right that the donations aren't coming like they should. I just want to think of a way were that doesn't happen any more. Im sure itll feel so much better if the site was self sufficient.

I've just seen it work. It might be a slight discomfort to some but can't argue with results. This doesn’t mean I’ll give up thinking of another way tho. :mctongue:

Maybe we will see.....if the suggestions you've taken from this thread will help next month bring that donation bar right up. I guess we can focus on improving/fixing what we already have to be the best it can be.

For now :mcwink:

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Just gonna drop this right here.....for future reference. Not considered gambling in Germany either :mctongue:
Social games, or free-to-play games, generally do not fall under the definition of a game of chance. They may be operated without a licence, yet restrictions may apply based on consumer or minor protection laws. Games which are not free to play may be subject to gambling regulations, if prizes have a monetary value (for example, game points which can be exchanged for real money or goods).
The use of a virtual currency does not automatically change the nature of a game from social to gambling, as long as the virtual currency is of no monetary value and part of a "closed loop".
There are no specific proposals to change the existing regulation to include social gaming.

Due to the more pressing issues of solving the licensing dilemma and establishing a regulation which is compatible with EU law, there are currently no specific plans to specifically regulate social gaming in Germany
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 Post subject: Re: A few thoughts on the perk items
Posted: Apr 3rd, '18, 01:29    


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Sorry for double posting but just wanted to say I like the new perk items. I think we're heading in the right direction. It looks quite bit more like a queen's item, and it stands out from the rest.
I think in the past the "most expensive" gift in the perks always looked too similar to the "least" expensive perks and that kind of made it not worth while for most I would say.

The only thing I would say about the Queen's birdnest is that the flower in the middle being different from the rest of the flowers(which are sunflowers) bothers me. That's just a peeve I would say for me, it looks kinda thrown in there at random lol. I feel like the idea was making that different flower like the "jewel" of the "crown" but I would have preferred maybe a butterfly instead. To match the ones already there, It would be like it was perched at the front or something, idk. But that's just me I think lol.

I do like it, and I think you're going in the right direction Firn :mctongue:
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