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 Post subject: Re: [Doki's Shop] CONTEST INVO SALE ~ [b] fc @25k
Posted: Nov 24th, '16, 07:24    


Suugar-Fiend

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Popodoki wrote:
Those are all still available c:

Anubis eyes
Cancer background
Dark butterfly antenna
Dark knight horns & wings
Earth gen heart magenta and coffee
Fire gen 13 eyes (grey white)
Flower spiral tattoo
Lynx ears and tail light sand
Maneki neko eyes
Mighty mecha Circlet &wings in silver
pisces lips black, pisces tail violet
Purple mage book, face signs and spell
red riding hood eyes
Solar system background (fuchia)
Stone gargoyle cathedral (gray white)
Sweet lolita wings

115k for the lot?
Would you accept 110k? For everything :)
If so feel free to send in a trade whenever you can and thank you
:3

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 Post subject: Re: [Doki's Shop] CONTEST INVO SALE ~ [b] fc @25k
Posted: Nov 24th, '16, 19:35    


Julie

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Hii :mclaugh: I have enough FP for these items on hold:

Mermaid eyes soft pink & midnight blue - 90k
Midnight rose coat - 60k
Ravenhued background black, gray white, midnight blue & mocha - 60k
Sleeping beauty eyes silver - 10k
Valentine '10 cheek heart - 12k
Water spirit background, skin, eyes, tail, ears, fins, hair - 50k
(282k total)


Also may I ask at how much do you value the Angel Background?

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 Post subject: Re: [Doki's Shop] CONTEST INVO SALE ~ [b] fc @25k
Posted: Nov 25th, '16, 15:30    


Eruvandir

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Hello~
I was wondering if you had any Huge Hair Ribbons?

Thank you~

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 Post subject: Re: [Doki's Shop] CONTEST INVO SALE ~ [b] fc @25k
Posted: Nov 25th, '16, 18:08    


Popodoki

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Sugoi wrote:Awesome! I just need 1k more and I can send the trade :)
Items sent, thanks for buying! c:
Amaryllis wrote:hmm.. that's a little high for me.
But I changed my mind about the tops, I'll like to get both of them instead of just one. 30k right?

edit//
I just figured the name for this--
How much do you value the Gillie Gibbs Garment (Midnight)
The Gillie garment has been sold, but I can send the sailor tops for 30k yes c:
Julie wrote:Hii :mclaugh: I have enough FP for these items on hold:

Mermaid eyes soft pink & midnight blue - 90k
Midnight rose coat - 60k
Ravenhued background black, gray white, midnight blue & mocha - 60k
Sleeping beauty eyes silver - 10k
Valentine '10 cheek heart - 12k
Water spirit background, skin, eyes, tail, ears, fins, hair - 50k
(282k total)


Also may I ask at how much do you value the Angel Background?
Sending trade! And I value it at 50k c:
Eruvandir wrote:Hello~
I was wondering if you had any Huge Hair Ribbons?

Thank you~
Nope sorry ;c
Suugar-Fiend wrote:
Popodoki wrote:
Those are all still available c:

Anubis eyes
Cancer background
Dark butterfly antenna
Dark knight horns & wings
Earth gen heart magenta and coffee
Fire gen 13 eyes (grey white)
Flower spiral tattoo
Lynx ears and tail light sand
Maneki neko eyes
Mighty mecha Circlet &wings in silver
pisces lips black, pisces tail violet
Purple mage book, face signs and spell
red riding hood eyes
Solar system background (fuchia)
Stone gargoyle cathedral (gray white)
Sweet lolita wings

115k for the lot?
Would you accept 110k? For everything :)
If so feel free to send in a trade whenever you can and thank you
:3
No...I'm sorry but I sometimes wonder if people really know how old or rare some of the items I'm selling are, and how much of a huge huge discount you (and others) are already getting from me...

Honestly, I'm already low-balling myself a lot for everyone here. I really am :'/ I like every single one of you, so I'm always willing to go low, to make people happy and give them long sought after dream items or shorten their wishlist. I'm happy my items are going to people that make more use of them.

But after a while I admit it gets rather tedious going through this thread of mine, comparing it to others. I always felt I was just being nice and understanding, offering unlimited holds and group discounts (not a lot of people do that you know? Like take a 6 item list and count it up to say 56k and then go 'you can have it for 50k because wow its 6 items in one sale' like that's literally cutting my own sale for the sole reason of being nice)

To be really honest, I'm starting to feel taken advantage of...I tend to not notice till after, and even when Useffel was up and running I had moments were a friend of mine pmed be after doing like 10 sales saying 'hey you do realize these people have been consistently low-balling you right?'

I admit to not really thinking prices through in a cost-benefitting way, personally. I'm not all about the profit, I assume people are always offering me a price they find fair.

Lately, I'm not finding some sales are made with prices fair to me. I'm typing a lot lot lot here but its just to fully explain how I feel and what I think, using as much of an explanation as I can give, but that's the gist of it really in the end.

I'm selling items over 4-5 years old for as low as 5k here?

I'm cutting prices on group orders that basically mean as much as throwing in items for next to nothing?

I'm not targeting you specifically here Suugar and I'm truly sorry if it comes across that way. But just as the prime example it is; you want me to send you a list of 23 items for a total of 110k

that's literally less than 5k per item...

Compare that for a moment to like the first few hold lists on the front page, Lily White's for example. Those prices were made by the price guide, and may I add that they're based on the lowest price listed as I've always gone by the lowest price out of niceness.

Can you really say less than 5k per item for a 23 item list which includes items as old as 4-5 years ago, items which haven't been sold in a while and other such is all that fair?

Maybe 3-4 items on that list are worth less than 5k on their own.

That flowery spiral tattoo is worth at least 30k with how rare it is.

I looked at that list, low-balled myself, came up with something along the lines of 130k and then offered you a 115k because group discounts are a thing in my thread.

Every single price I offer for every single item is already a price lowered.

I'm always happy to make a sale, lately not so much. Honestly, I'm starting to feel pretty different. I literally catch myself not wanting to check this thread as often as before. I have enough funds for like 2 more contests you know...I don't really need to continue these sales, especially if they don't feel beneficial for me like they have anymore. And they really do sadly feel that way.

Could be that with the guide gone people are just completely unsure of an items worth, but at the same time I do kind of want to be stern enough to maybe do a little late defensiveness and go 'oh come on', I really do feel that sentiment coming up and its really not something I do. Ever. I'm literally distressed with having to let this all out cause I know it's going to a lot of 'wow huh Doki what is this all of a sudden??' but to me its sadly not sudden but its been going on for quite a while now and I guess its now just coming out all at once and sadly probably feels like an attack which I really really don't mean to

I really really don't

you're always allowed to tell me if a price is too high in your opinion, and you have the right to back out of a sale. but I honestly feel backed into a corner here, with a lot of items going into trades for an amount lower than their value coming back to me. Not just to you, I'm keeping it general here but like this, I'm really feeling discouraged to keep selling...

I'm thinking of putting a hiatus on my sales, and waiting on a price guide.


Edit: uuugh wow such a long text and I'm really tempted to delete it and change it into a 'sending trade c:' text aka 'swallow it op Doki and be nice' but as soon as that thought literally went through my head I realized that no that is exactly why I needed to type the above though

I'm sorry for the harshness I really am but I needed to get that off my chest I really did. No personal attack to anyone here, more like a general text

its not about the extra mere 5k being taken off, its about the consistency in which I'm lowering my prices out of kindness and feeling more and more that that kindness is truly being taken advantage of more and more

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 Post subject: Re: [Doki's Shop] CONTEST INVO SALE ~ [b] fc @25k
Posted: Nov 25th, '16, 18:35    


Eruvandir

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I see. Thank you anyways =)


Also, I think it's completely alright for a seller to be firm with the prices of his/her items. I've also gone through a time where people were asking for discounts that would make some of the items free when it comes to the price. And when I felt that I was being taken advantage of, it didn't feel good.
I redid my selling thread after a long break and gave myself limits to how low I can go with item prices.

If I have no idea how much an item is worth, I ask for an offer then contemplate whether I think that price is fair or not. If I value an item highly, I give a price and see if I can negotiate until we reach an amount both of us will be happy with. If not, then the sale just won't have to happen.
But that's me.

If you think you need a break from the frustrations you're getting from this thread, you should take it.
It helps =)

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 Post subject: Re: [Doki's Shop] CONTEST INVO SALE ~ [b] fc @25k
Posted: Nov 25th, '16, 19:42    


Sugoi

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Thank you <3
I've been looking for these wings for quite a while, they are so pretty.

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 Post subject: Re: [Doki's Shop] CONTEST INVO SALE ~ [b] fc @25k
Posted: Nov 25th, '16, 20:04    


Amaryllis

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Aw~ that sucks.
I'll send over the 30k for the tops

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 Post subject: Re: [Doki's Shop] CONTEST INVO SALE ~ [b] fc @25k
Posted: Nov 25th, '16, 20:08    


Julie

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Making avatars is my favorite part of this site and half my wardrobe + all my favorites come from you Popo, so I'm really grateful for that. :mchappy: :qh:

I agree with Eru that's perfectly fine to ask for the price you find fair, though I do realize that it's sometimes easier said than done (wanting to be kind or being shy or other reasons).

Also I'm perfectly okay with paying 100k for the Angel Background because 50k seems low even by discount standards. Could you add it to my hold list pretty please?

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 Post subject: Re: [Doki's Shop] CONTEST INVO SALE ~ [b] fc @25k
Posted: Nov 26th, '16, 06:30    


Suugar-Fiend

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I'm so sorry doki, the last things I wanted was to make you feel that way. It was wrong of me and I had no idea and I should have. You helped me tons (I'm not talking about the items here specifically ) when I needed it and it makes me feel like a terrible person for how you feel.
I'm really sorry. I mean it. :mccry:

And please do let me know what would be the appropriate price for all I've asked for that you feel isn't being cheated on. I'll give whatever you deemed is appropriate.
With everything going on in my head lately , I wasn't thinking so I'm sorry and I'm grateful for everything you do.

It's why I always ask what your prices are first. It's what I do for most sellers, so tht feeling like that doesn't happen. Last bulk buy I did I bought it straight up and with prices you suggested or I pulled from lily's list and was very thankful you were willing to sell.
It's hard not to feel targeted tho when your post is the one under that one. You know?

Tho
I'm glad you did speak up bcs the last thing I would have wanted was for you to feel a grudge towards me. I mean you're my friend, at least I think of you as one. You've been here for a long time, so you're like a pillar in the community. At least that's how I see it.

I don't know what else to do but apologize for how you feel and see if I can make it right.

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 Post subject: Re: [Doki's Shop] CONTEST INVO SALE ~ [b] fc @25k
Posted: Nov 26th, '16, 18:07    


Popodoki

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Ok so first of all, I need to let everyone know that I woke up today with the lovely discovery that I'm on my period so there I had that little moment of 'AHAA! I knew I wasn't no whiny bitch it was them male hormones'

I had a really stressful day at work yesterday on top of those lovely first floods of testosterone so yeah. My points still stand, it was still a whole lot of 'need this off my chest right now' moment but at the same time do mind that was a cloud of emotionalness attached to me yesterday evening c':

Ok so I'm feeling a lot better today (seriously yesterday sucked for me, big time it sucked so much I still kind of want to cry about it cause a lot of things happened)

BUT so yeah here's a really big post for you all to 'enjoy' again sorry in advance:

I'm not going on a hiatus from my sales
I'm going to state that all prices I list on my items are 'non-negotiable' in the sense that prizes I state are already low on my personal viewing scale. The prices I state will already be lowered in true value is what I mean.

I think I actually tried to make that point in the past tbh, I'm pretty sure I've had a few times already where I said that the price I gave was already really low? I think part of the miscommunication lied in that. I was convinced everyone knew that the prices I stated were the lowest of the low. I thought in terms of I knew, the buyer knew, I was being nice to them and they appreciate it. The end c':

And that's why I felt so slighted at times when people would reply to me asking for a lower price. To me, it felt like a push. I felt like it was taking advantage. I see now that some people didn't realize my prices were already quite substantially lowered, and felt like it was just haggling? Well I on my end looked at the prices knowing I paid 3x more in my time for them...

I just want from now on, for that to be clear and known.

I'm not going to hand out group discounts, and the prices I offer are final, because the prices I offer are already insanely low and I need people to start realizing that c':

This is as much my fault as it is you the buyers though, I fully take responsibility for letting it get to the point of me boiling over, cause how the hecky were any of you supposed to know I felt slighted if I never made a peep? Ok I do realize that, its how I am sadly haha I'm always convinced people are knowingly slighting me and taking advantage of my kindness that when it turns out that nope its a two way thing and you haven't been really clear yourself Doki now have you I'm like hhmmmmm /shady look @ myself and situation

So ok ok winding down to the main thing:

No more group discounts
My prices are low, I'm keeping them low, but from now on they're final and I'm not going to go even lower than low

Its mostly the latter that made me sad really, cause -and it feels so bad to say that of myself but still- I'm so nice about my sales?? And I always want everyone to be super happy to have a deal with me and get items etc so I keep the prices low so everyone can basically grab what they want. But at the same time I'm aware that these are my rare and worked for items that I'm basically giving away? Like I know my items are going for cheap and I tell myself its ok cause its all going to my contests and happy people and I do so very much like pretty art more than my items c':

But yeah it mostly the asking to go even lower after I know I'm already offering the lowest prices ever and the longest holds ever and group discounts and the like. Its the act of asking that that mostly made me feel like my kindness was being taken advantage of and that eventually cracked me cause doing sales like that, knowing I'm shooting myself in the foot but thinking 'just be nice, just be nice' it just got too much. Which is at least half my own fault for letting it happen but nonetheless time to stop ~

And Suugar I'm sorry sweet I really am cause yes I posted that under your post because yours was an example of the above 'no more of this' thingy but really I didn't mean it as an attack to you ;c

And I don't do grudges, I literally can't I'm pretty sure its a character flaw c':

I guess I just felt really pfffffft lately (mostly thanks to work, my God have I mentioned how much it sucks lately) and last night with my period making its appearance it came to a head and Doki popped a popo ~

It really wasn't just you, you need to know that, and I wasn't speaking in terms of specific people, more like actions

I'm totally relieved and don't regret getting it out, I just regret it felt so personal for you since really no harm done, I'll always be happy to do sales and chat with you! c;

On that end, do you still want those items cause they're yours for 115k, no bad feelings on that sale ok? <3

@Julie: I'll add the Angel background to your hold list for 75k then, is that alright with you?

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